Guys? You're not helping (Palin sexism watch)

kickycan wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Yes, this kind of stuff is disgusting and infuriating with no way to combat it.

It will surely test the lady's mettle though. Anybody who can stand tall and tough against this kind of vile, contemptible, and small minded crap should make us a fine president of strong character and courage some day.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

--John McCain, a vile, contemptible and small minded person (according to Foxfyre, at least).

Did McCain say that?

Mind you...it does kind of amuse me to see right wingers outraged by gross sexist attacks on Palin, given what Hillary received....unless they similarly expressed disgust about that.

Did you speak out re that disgusting slime, Fox?

No McCain didn't say that.

Most major media outlets have been uninterested in pursuing the subject. Virtually every media outlet ran Sen. Trent Lott's comment at a 100th birthday tribute to Strom Thurmond. As a result of the criticism over his remarks, Lott stepped aside as Senate majority leader.

But only a few news outlets, like the Phoenix New Times in Arizona and the National Journal, that ran an Associated Press story reporting McCain's 1998 joke suggesting that Chelsea Clinton was ugly and Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton were lesbians.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" McCain said at a GOP fund-raiser in Washington. "Because Janet Reno is her father."

McCain apologized to the Clintons. But more recently, McCain said on Fox News, "You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."

In part because he gives reporters access and charms them with his apparent openness, McCain gets good press.

Crap.

You just didn't notice it because of your biases.

It had a different tone.....eg Palin is being insulted for being seen as fuckable, while Hillary was insulted for being unfuckable.

Same ******* coin, different side....either way both have been subjected to gross sexist attack.

Well I just read several of those sources, and if he actually said it--I sort of doubt he did exactly as written since it didn't make the MSM headlines--it was a stupid, insensitive joke never meant for public consumption.

Shall we all wallow a little more...
Rolling Eyes

dlowan wrote:

kickycan wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Yes, this kind of stuff is disgusting and infuriating with no way to combat it.

It will surely test the lady's mettle though. Anybody who can stand tall and tough against this kind of vile, contemptible, and small minded crap should make us a fine president of strong character and courage some day.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

--John McCain, a vile, contemptible and small minded person (according to Foxfyre, at least).

Did McCain say that?

Mind you...it does kind of amuse me to see right wingers outraged by gross sexist attacks on Palin, given what Hillary received....unless they similarly expressed disgust about that.

Did you speak out re that disgusting slime, Fox?

No McCain didn't say that. Nor did I. The only ones I've ever heard repeating that stuff are leftwingers who are presumably quoting some nameless rightwinger or deliberately misquoting somebody.

And yes, I have spoken out against disgusting slime and deliberate lies launched at both Bill and Hillary. I have posted (somewhere) my disgust with the sexist language used in reference to Hillary (and other women) that would never have been used in reference to a man. I'm one who returns the lying e-mails re Hillary or Obama or whomever to sender along with a Snopes reference.

I don't think we do ourselves any favors whatsoever dealing in that kind of stuff. There's plenty of valid criticism without being hateful or making stuff up. I'm only hoping the malicious Left aren't doing themselves any favors either.

It had a different tone.....eg Palin is being insulted for being seen as fuckable, while Hillary was insulted for being unfuckable.

Same ******* coin, different side....either way both have been subjected to gross sexist attack.

Public apology? I didn't read that it was a public apology. Do you honestly think that if it happened as is portrayed in that article or the Phoenix Sun News, that it would NOT have been on the front page of WAPO, NYTimes and everywhere else?

The fact that McCain had made the tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, as was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny what McCain had done. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. When McCain subsequently apologized to President Clinton, the Washington Post, in its personality section, noted the apology but said the joke "was too vicious to print."

The Los Angeles Times, in its Life & Style section, provided an oblique rendering of the joke that did not fully convey its ugliness. When Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times about the joke, she wrote that McCain "is so revered by the press that his disgusting jape was largely nudged under the rug." But Dowd chose not to relay the joke, either.

The joke did appear in McCain's hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, and the Associated Press did report the joke in full, so everyone in the press had access to McCain's words. But by censoring themselves, the Post, the Times and others helped McCain deflect flak and preserved his status as a Republican presidential contender.