Guys? You're not helping (Palin sexism watch)

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"Palin has young children. She demonstrates poor family values by accepting the Vice Presidential nomination."

What's up with that? It's a fact. She does demonstrate poor family values by accepting the Vice Presidential nomination. Every woman with young children accepting any job, unless she has to from economic necessity, is demonstrating poor family values in the Christian tradition. Good ceiling-busting values though. We need to be even handed. Do ceiling-busting values triumph over family values. The trend is that way. The sentimental mush is a smokescreen. It's a lot harder to love your children than it is to declare, however passionately, how much you love them. By a large amount.

And the kids know too.

Your sensitivity to the matter Foxy implies you agree yourself deep down.

It has been noted that the Obama campaign has been doing the same with Obama. They will no longer allow him to speak without a teleprompter and I think he probably wears a listening device at all times so they can feed him information to help him look smarter.

Obama has been at this a hell of a lot longer than Palin who they are still bringing up to speed on the campaign. That they want Palin to get her message out before the media is let loose to prevent her from doing that so effectively seems more prudent re strategy than sexist.

Foxfyre wrote:

It has been noted that the Obama campaign has been doing the same with Obama. They will no longer allow him to speak without a teleprompter and I think he probably wears a listening device at all times so they can feed him information to help him look smarter. Same kind of deal do you think?

The difference is
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Obama is in charge of his campaig

Foxfyre wrote:

It has been noted that the Obama campaign has been doing the same with Obama. They will no longer allow him to speak without a teleprompter and I think he probably wears a listening device at all times so they can feed him information to help him look smarter.

What are you talking about, Foxfyre? Was that rhetorical frippery or do you actually believe that? (Patently false, if so.)

It has been noted that the Obama campaign has been doing the same with Obama. They will no longer allow him to speak without a teleprompter and I think he probably wears a listening device at all times so they can feed him information to help him look smarter. Same kind of deal do you think? Is that racist?

That they want Palin to get her message out before the media is let loose to prevent her from doing that so effectively seems more prudent re strategy than sexist.

Cyclop, no fair dodging the other issue. Wwill you state here and now that Obama has poor family values? Or if you are not willing to do that, admit that you apply different standards to Palin and Obama?

Foxfyre wrote:

Cyclop, no fair dodging the other issue. Wwill you state here and now that Obama has poor family values? Or if you are not willing to do that, admit that you apply different standards to Palin and Obama?

I'm not dodging anything. I think it is a concern, that Obama has kids, yes. I think that Palin, with a special needs kid under the age of one, is in a whole different ballpark. You are trying to play a moral equivalence game, but nobody is falling for it.

I specifically call upon you to explain what you mean by a 'listening device' used to feed Obama answers, to make him seem smarter. Immediately.

Cycloptichorn

I personally have managed to be a professional and an executive and raise a family. I have no reason to believe Sarah Palin cannot do that too. Did my children suffer? They say they did not. Will hers? Not is she is a good mother.

I 100% support women who choose to stay at home with their kids or to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen if that's where their heart lies.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Cyclop, no fair dodging the other issue. Wwill you state here and now that Obama has poor family values? Or if you are not willing to do that, admit that you apply different standards to Palin and Obama?

I'm not dodging anything. I think it is a concern, that Obama has kids, yes. I think that Palin, with a special needs kid under the age of one, is in a whole different ballpark. You are trying to play a moral equivalence game, but nobody is falling for it.

I specifically call upon you to explain what you mean by a 'listening device' used to feed Obama answers, to make him seem smarter. Immediately.

Cycloptichorn

You flat out said that Palin demonstrates poor family values.
But you won't say that about Obama.
Why?

Wow... you were actually serious??

I've been to three live Obama speeches. No teleprompters.

He often does town halls (yes, he does, though they're under-reported). No teleprompters.

Cycloptichorn mentioned recent Q and A's -- no teleprompters.

Where on earth do you get this "listening devices" thing from?

You do realize that this is a guy who taught classes on constitutional law at the University of Chicago, right? He's not exactly an intellectual lightweight.

Or do you think he used listening devices there, too? Had some REAL smartypants sitting somewhere feeding him his lines as he taught?

Geesh.

Like I said, pulled it out of your ass.

Cycloptichorn

No, I didn't Cyclop. But I will accept your explanation that Palin can't demonstrate good family values. You won't say that of Obama but rather are concerned about what effect his presidency might have on his children. But it is a partisan thing and not sexism. Okay.