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Why Joe Biden is a huge ass.

 
 
Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 05:52 pm
I figure that if he is reading the boards he must be feeling left out what with all the discussion be around Palin. SO, Let's discuss Joey here.

Quote:
Joe Biden: Like Throwing an Anchor to a Drowning Man

By the time it was clear that Barack Obama had narrowed his vice presidential choices down to Biden, Kaine, and Bayh, it was already determined that the Democrats would be sending out a ticket with a troubling lack of executive experience. With the ultimate choice of Biden, Obama went for the best known of a bad lot, but may have made a serious mistake.

Historically, Senators make poor presidential candidates because legislators are usually far less popular or well known than those who hold more prominent political positions, and because many voters are looking for candidates who have given some sign that they can provide individual leadership, make firm decisions, and look presidential. That means executive experience: either holding a cabinet level government office, being governor of a state, having a military command position, or having a meaningful career in business. A Senator hasn't actually won a presidential election since John F. Kennedy in 1960.

It's particularly strange that both parties have chosen Senators to head their tickets in a year when the Congress has its lowest approval rating of all time, bottoming out at around 14% this summer and still only around 20% overall. That's half the approval rating of President Bush, which raises the improbable thought that more Americans would rather see Bush serve another term than vote for any Senator for president.

So both parties were fairly dumb to nominate Senators for the presidency, but having made that mistake, it seems just monumentally stupid to try to strengthen your ticket by adding another Senator. Obama was already at a serious experience deficit, with no business or leadership background outside of a brief Senate tenure, while McCain at least held a command position in the military and had a real job prior to entering politics. Picking a six-term Senator with no other experience in his background as a running mate for Obama is like throwing a drowning man an anchor, or in this case a second anchor, instead of a life preserver. All McCain has to do is pick a governor " any governor " and he immediately looks more competent and more presidential than Obama.

As for Joe Biden personally, do his assets even outweigh his liabilities for the campaign? Obama has made 'change' the watchword for his campaign, yet Biden is the poster boy for status quo. He's not an agent of change, he's the champion of sameness, with 36 years voting for failed ideas and big government over and over again. Biden's two notable pieces of legislation come from the 1990s, the Violence Against Women Act, large portions of which were struck down as unconstitutional and biased, and the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, viewed widely on the left and the right (for different reasons) as one of the most oppressive pieces of legislation to come out of Congress in decades. This act included the widely hated assault weapons ban, massive additional and unnecessary expenditure for law enforcement, much of it tied to drug enforcement, the elimination of educational programs for prisoners and the expansion of the federal death penalty to apply to 60 additional crimes. There's something in it to offend everyone from the NRA to the ACLU, and when they're on the same side it's either a sign of the apocalypse or a sign of very bad legislation.

Biden is also our leading drug warrior. He picked up the torch for President Reagan's most ill-conceived program, authored the legislation creating the ONDCP and the office of 'drug czar,' and has been behind the billions of dollars of wasted spending which have gone into the programs which have increased drug related crime and made drug lords wealthy. As chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, he has been responsible for the ever expanding legislation which has made more and more drugs illegal, reduced access to relatively harmless medication, blocked efforts to decriminalize marijuana and institutionalized unconstitutional abuses like asset forfeiture. At a time when there is a real grassroots groundswell in support of medical marijuana and against oppressive drug laws, his history on the issue is a major liability.

Biden's one supposed asset is his "foreign policy experience" which comes from his long tenure on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which he is now chairman. Whether that really counts as foreign policy experience is debatable. It mostly involves voting on treaties, not the kind of hands-on foreign policy decision making you get as Secretary of State or even as an ambassador. It is from this position that Biden supported bombing the Balkans, arming Muslim rebels in Bosnia, attacks on Libya, and from which he helped recruit bipartisan support for President Bush's invasion of Iraq. Without Biden on his side, Bush might very well have been unable to get enough support to launch the invasion. That's a very strange background for running with Obama, who has made opposition to the war such a central part of his qualifications for the Democratic nomination.

With his hard line record on war, drugs, and crime, Biden is a lot more conservative than most independents, much less members of his own party. He's probably more conservative on a lot of issues than John McCain. But it's not in a positive way which will draw Republican voters, for whom his support of the assault weapons ban and pro-choice record are likely to be inexcusable black marks. He's a big-spending, authoritarian warhawk - not a very appealing combination.

All of this is without even considering Biden's personal shortcomings: his temper, his egotism, his history of making incredibly stupid public statements, and his open hostility to Obama during the primary campaign. These are issues we don't even need to consider here, because the media and the blogosphere are going to have a field day with them in the next few weeks. Be prepared to hear more than you want to about Biden's IQ, lies about his college record, calling Obama 'clean', and plagiarism. Maybe the plan is to distract the media from Obama's shortcomings by letting them beat up on Biden, but that seems awfully risky.

The only reason to pick Biden is to compensate for Obama's weaknesses, but doing so may be a mistake, because it is such a blatant admission that Obama is not adequately qualified for the job he's running for. Picking Biden shows a fundamental weakness in his campaign and his convictions. Rather than reassuring supporters and widening his base within his own party with a choice like Evan Bayh, he's pandering to centrists and compromising his principles with a running mate whose only assets make his selection an admission of inadequacy and insecurity from Obama.

Obama really is like a drowning man, flailing around for something to keep him afloat, but instead of grabbing a timber or a life preserver, when his desperate grasp hit on Biden he found an anchor which will take him straight to the bottom of the ocean.
 
littlek
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 05:54 pm
These titles are driving me crazy. There are several of them in the political forum. It's not WHY Joe Biden is a huge ass, it's HOW Joe Biden is a huge ass. Unless, of course, you want to psychoanalyze the guy.
cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 05:56 pm
@littlek,
Is he the Hugh Jass that used to post on Abuzz? I hated that dumbass too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:10 pm
@McGentrix,
Good article; it states the pros and cons about Biden. However, looking at the "bigger" picture, whether Biden is old guard or not, he has national and international experience at the fed level which will be very helpful to Obama.

Compared to McCain's position on Iraq and wars, that's a plus for Obama. If Obama says "war is the last resort," we can trust what he says.

ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is so sexist!

You never hear anyone calling Sarah Palin an ass.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What is it with you anti-war punks anyway? Feeling fairly confident that if Obama is elected, the terror monkeys will bomb NYC again, and not Cupertino?

You suck. Too bad you can't understand why.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:15 pm
@cjhsa,
Your ability to understand terrorism, fear, and reality is beyond your grasp.
Unfortunately, you'll never understand why.
cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I do understand, and will for a lot longer than your misguided hippy reality exists on this earth, old man.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:17 pm
Quote:
Joe Biden: The Democratic Dick Cheney
By Doug Mataconis | Related entries in 2008 Election, Barack, Biden, Cheney

Barack Obama’s selection of Joe Biden as his running mate raises some of the same interesting questions that George W. Bush’s selection of Dick Cheney did back in 2000.

Here me out.

If Obama/Biden wins, Joe Biden will be 66 years old when he takes office as Vice-President.

If they are re-elected in 2012, he’ll be 70 years old when the second Obama/Biden Administration starts unless, for some reason, he’s replaced on the ticket. While that’s possible, it hasn’t happened in American politics since FDR replaced John Nance Garner with Henry Wallace in 1940, and replaced Henry Wallace with Harry S. Truman in 1944. Since then, there have been calls for various President’s to dump their Vice-President when the run for re-election " Eisenhower in 1956, Bush I in 1992, Bush II, 2004 " but they’ve never pulled the trigger.

It’s unlikey that Obama would either.

Finally, Biden will be 73 years old on Election Day 2016, and by then will have been in politics for 46 years.

Does anyone seriously think that, at this point, he’d be a candidate for President to succeed Barack Obama ?

That’s about as unlikely as it was that Dick Cheney would ever run to succeed George W. Bush.

So, like Cheney, Biden will in some sense be an unfettered Vice-President who won’t have to worry about whether his actions would have any real impact on his political future.

And, like the Republicans in 2008, the Democrats in 2016 would enter the election cycle without a Vice-President serving as the clear successor to an outgoing President. By then, Hillary Clinton would be 69 years old and, quite arguably, beyond what ever is left of her prime. So, the Democrats would have a wide-open field yet again.

More than one political pundit criticized Bush’s choice of Cheney, and his decision to keep Cheney on the ticket in 2004, because it left the Republican Party without a clear successor; something which arguably resulted in the nomination of John McCain, a candidate whose history of bucking GOP trends, and annoying various parts of the base in the process, is well-known.

Arguably, Obama is setting his party up for the same problem in eight years by choosing a running mate who in all likelihood is not going to run to suceed him.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:21 pm
@McGentrix,
If I thought Biden wanted to be "the man" it would scare me...

Clearly(IMHO) he is there for stability, and depth, and may the best man win next time...

(or Lady Embarrassed )
LionTamerX
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:44 pm
@Rockhead,
I love the smell of right wing desperation in the morning... It smells like victory.

For Obama.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:50 pm
@LionTamerX,
LionTamerX wrote:

I love the smell of right wing desperation in the morning... It smells like victory.

For Obama.


Examine the number of Palin threads and posts around here and get back to me about desperation.

Oh, and get your nose checked, you obviously can't smell.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:53 pm
@McGentrix,
McG, old pal...

wanna make a lil' wager?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:54 pm
@Rockhead,
About how big an ass Biden is?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:56 pm
@McGentrix,
No, silly, on the election...
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:58 pm
@McGentrix,
Basically the Republicans are pitting their VP nominee against the Democratic presidential nominee.

A swing and a miss. Better luck next time.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 08:06 pm
@LionTamerX,
LionTamerX wrote:

Basically the Republicans are pitting their VP nominee against the Democratic presidential nominee.

A swing and a miss. Better luck next time.


Is it? Biden is useless to the Obama campaign. A cheap suit paid for by his lies and partisanship. No sense in trying to compare Palin to him.

McCain has more experience, a better record, better plans and a better platform so comparing him to Obama is pointless so that really only leaves Palin.

It speaks volumes the scorn lain upon her by the left. So much so that only Palin is left to compare with Obama. It's a sad state of affairs for the left that the Republican VP is the only one that can honestly be compared with the Dem Presidential nominee. I find it funny.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 08:24 pm
@McGentrix,
Sooo...

You don't have me on Ignore do ya?

(sorry 'bout the simon thing...)
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 09:22 pm
@McGentrix,
McCain lost most of his cred in 2000 after the pantsing he took from the Rove/Bush machine in SC and elsewhere. Since then, he's been treated by his own party as the crazy uncle in the attic.
Ms. Palin was the mayor of the crystal meth capital of Alaska, and has now served 20 months as gov (of Alaska.) I'll admit she has a nice coat of paint.

This is the best that the Republicans are currently capable of.
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 09:25 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Quote:
Joe Biden: The Democratic Dick Cheney
By Doug Mataconis | Related entries in 2008 Election, Barack, Biden, Cheney

Here me out.



HERE me out?? Who the hell is this guy?
 

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