The Bubble that is New England

@littlek,

littlek wrote:

H2O, remember that part about me living in GA? I've lived there and New Mexico. I've traveled through many states, but not spent much time in any but CA.

My apologies, I do not recall you're living in GA. I suffer from chronic CRS. What part & when?

My story: I took a road trip back to coastal Connecticut in '06 and just returned from a road trip to central Indiana for my HS reunion...
I love road trips and both of these were excellent, problem free drives and I hope to pilot a vintage NSX on my next road trip Mr. Green

However... and with all all due respect to my fellow Yankee's, I am very glad that I no longer live in any part of the rust belt.
Great people up there, but Southern Living is awesome!

Ya'll Come Back, Ya Hear Cool

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@cjhsa,

What are you talking about?

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@littlek,

littlek wrote:

What are you talking about?

Your response to OSD. I understood your insinuation. Did you?

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@littlek,

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How could MA have such a low rate of college degree attainment? We're not even talking about Masters, or Doctorates (I think MA has a better ratio with these, but it's still not top 5%).

Maybe the really smart people move up here to New Hampshire? Smile

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@littlek,

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Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 3388965)
I see: We have luck, you have family values.
What we really had was contraception that we weren't too spooked to use correctly.

2 things:
1) I suspect that u already know
that lust can overpower values;
in other words the pregnancy did not result from analytical filosofy.
Lust is mindless. This applies to people of all filosofys.

2 ) So far as I know,
Mrs. Palin did not claim that her daughter accepts her mother 's point of vu.
Family members do not always agree, nor always vote the same way.
My dad followed Franklin Roosevelt; I rejected him
and voted and worked for Barry Goldwater.

Ronald Reagan had a daughter who did not accept his filosofy,
preferring a more leftist vu point.

One person cannot control the opinions
nor the actions of another person
and no person can logically NOR FAIRLY be held responsible
for the beliefs nor the actions of someone else.

You still have not admitted that in Mrs. Palin 's position,
you coud not have been more successful in such a matter than she was.

I believe that good sportsmanship and good faith require u to admit this,
unless u can disprove it.

David

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Well, in that case, Bill Clinton shouldn't be held responsible for the indiscretions of his penis. We all know it's an independent organism.

Anywhoozle ---

I grew up in one of the relatively reactionary/libertarian pockets of supposedly pinko California, amond widespread and casual and absolutely accepted racism and homophobia. Not sure what that means, exactly, except that we tend to view political tendencies of a state that are expressed by a slim majority of registered voters (so, maybe a fifth to a quarter of the population) as representative of the state as a whole, and it just ain't so.

Since then, I've spent my life living in hyper-liberal pockets -- Santa Cruz, Seattle, Madison. Pretty much all I've gleaned from this is that the more liberal bumper stickers you have, the more likely you are to drive like a completely self-interested, unaware asshole, and my man Kucinich has no shot, anywhere, anytime, so **** the American political process.

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@rosborne979,

NH is great but I prefer summers on Lake Champlain in VT Cool

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@OmSigDAVID,

1) Lust can be overpowered by values, yes they can and they do.
2) Family value number one means keeping your family safe and sound. If her daughter doesn't follow her values, so what? She should provide for her. If her daughter was rebelling against family values and having sex, she should have put her on contraception. If she was having sex without her mother's knowledge, the family values need a little work. That kid is going to be a very young mother. This is unfortunate for her and was preventable.

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@littlek,

I don't think Palin's daughter's situation has any relevance to anything.

However Palin's statement about having the baby is her daughter's choice is interesting given that politically she wants to remove that choice from your daughters....

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@littlek,

littlek wrote:

If she was having sex without her mother's knowledge, the family values need a little work.

I think you should re-read this part of your post and think about what you said in this sentence.

We'll wait for your more thoughtful revision.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

We'll wait for your more thoughtful revision.

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@littlek,

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Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 3388992)
1) Lust can be overpowered by values, yes they can and they do.

Sometimes thay can,
but even fanatics ( like some ex-clergyment I coud name ) have found it impossible to resist.
Maybe it is easier for a female.

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2) Family value number one means keeping your family safe and sound. If her daughter doesn't follow her values, so what? She should provide for her.

I agree.
I believe that she still does. Right ?

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If her daughter was rebelling against family values and having sex,
she should have put her on contraception.

I think so too, IF the mother KNEW about it.
Does anyone claim that she knew ??

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If she was having sex without her mother's knowledge,
the family values need a little work

So far as I KNOW,
no one alleges that the pregnant daughter
accepted "family values" as a personal filosofy.
In an earlier answer to u,
I gave an example of my rejecting my father 's love of Franklin Roosevelt
and my embrace of Barry Goldwater, whose filospfy was most INCONSISTENT with Roosevelt 's.
I even convinced my father to vote for Goldwater.

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This is unfortunate for her and was preventable.

Little K,
u STILL have not told us how u 'd have handled this situation
more successfully than Mrs. Palin did.
U just keep pointing the finger at her,
as if she coud have stopped it,
without showing any evidence that she coud have stopped it (except by abortion).

David

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@hingehead,

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I don't think Palin's daughter's situation has any relevance to anything.

However Palin's statement about having the baby is her daughter's choice is interesting
given that politically she wants to remove that choice from your daughters...

Well, technically,
she has only stated an existing operative fact, as to the choice.
The daughter made a choice.
( I have always supported freedom of abortion )

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Yep, this is a good thread.

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How did we get here from the original post?

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@littlek,

You made the crucial mistake of even mentioning politics in the run up to a US presidential election. I'd love to do a content analysis of how a lot of regular posters have suddenly gone rabidly politically partisan.

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@littlek,

I was wondering that myself, but to make it clear...the initial thread intent, is what I thought was a good idea...not Palins daughters gestational state.

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@littlek,

There are the complicating factors that self educated people often do not have degrees, by definition, and some with degrees become chefs, carpenters, etc. And as we all know, some people with degrees got there because of some kind of sticktoitive tendency or lack of need to earn some money for self and family, and many with degrees can be as thick as pasta e fagioli. But I'll agree for purposes of this conversation that education statistics probably reflect education, and will be interested in how various stats work out.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

There are the complicating factors that self educated people often do not have degrees, by definition, and some with degrees become chefs, carpenters, etc. And as we all know, some people with degrees got there because of some kind of sticktoitive tendency or lack of need to earn some money for self and family, and many with degrees can be as thick as pasta e fagioli. But I'll agree for purposes of this conversation that education statistics probably somewhat reflect education, and will be interested in how various stats work out.

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@ossobuco,

Sorry for the double post... that did seem like a long editing time allowed.

Thought this was a sharp sentence by PDog, and found Fishin's comment re OK interesting.
"Not sure what that means, exactly, except that we tend to view political tendencies of a state that are expressed by a slim majority of registered voters (so, maybe a fifth to a quarter of the population) as representative of the state as a whole, and it just ain't so."

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