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If Biden And Obama Aren't Qualified

 
 
eoe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 03:11 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

Pause and think about how she might advance interest in special needs children if elected. My God, we've got Firefly on the other thread implying that Palin should have kept her youngest child hidden from view last night. I don't see this as a negative thing, unless you are hell bent on being negative about it. In which case, knock yourself out.


Sarah Palin:"To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: ... I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."

In spirit or also in deeds? As governor of Alaska, Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml

Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 03:27 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote: "Pause and think about how she might advance interest in special needs children if elected. "

Based on available information, Sarah Palin, as governor of Alaska, slashed public funding for children with special needs as well as public funding for unwed teenage mothers. Both her daughter and her future son-in-law have dropped out of high school and I wonder how she might advance the plight of high school drop-outs.
eoe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 03:28 pm
@Debra Law,
Oh no. Both of those kids have dropped out of school???
Please provide a link.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 03:37 pm
@eoe,
eoe wrote: "As governor of Alaska, Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%."

The state funding for Special Education Service Agency (SESA) and the Alaska School for the Deaf in the proposed budget, which was paltry to begin with, saw Sarah Palin cutting it from $7,949.30 down to $3,156.00.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 03:44 pm
@eoe,
Here's a link to an associated press article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_daughter

"Levi Johnston, a high school hockey player for Wasilla High School, is not listed on the team roster for 2008-2009, and his mother wouldn't say if he graduated. She said simply he's no longer a student and any further information would have to come from him."

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slkshock7
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 06:34 pm
@kuvasz,
Kuvasz,
You and the author of the Post article are both wrong on the assertion that this home for unwed moms budget was cut by 20%. Actually Palin increased the overall budget of the Covenant House by 300% from the $1.3M they were granted in 2007. In fact, their TOTAL REVENUE last year was just over $3M, so Palin granted that and more in one swoop. I expect the Covenant House was engaged in a common ploy in Government, especially DoD where I work. You document or get your political sponsors to shoot for a budgetary requirement that is double what you really need. Then when the decision maker needs to cut it 20% to make his/her budget balance your pet program is still very much in the black.

What this does show is that Palin is a very consientious decision-maker intent on balancing her budget and she can see thru the bean-counter "spin"....can Obama demonstrate the same?

source
slkshock7
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 06:49 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra...I thought you were a lawyer....please do some rudimentary research before posting these spurious charges against Palin. She actually increased spending on students with special needs by almost $50K.

source

Education Week wrote:
Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.

The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city, over the next five years.

Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, and other costs associated with providing education in communities scattered across the vast state.

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.
slkshock7
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 06:51 pm
On second thought, keep posting these rumors...when my own research confirms they are lies, my confidence and admiration of Palin only increases.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 07:27 pm
@slkshock7,
Interesting; Alaska's budget is planned into the next two fiscal years? We need Palin in California where our government still hasn't approved this year's budget.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 08:30 pm
See:
State of Alaska
FY2008 Governor’s Operating Budget
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

See also:
State of Alaska
FY2009 Governor’s Operating Budget
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 08:43 pm
@Debra Law,
Also this on the Commission on Aging: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/HSS/comp2674.pdf

I guess the population of Alaska is getting younger, because their funding was cut by gov Palin.

Another Compassionate Conservative.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 08:48 am
@slkshock7,
slkshock7 wrote:

You and the author of the Post article are both wrong on the assertion that this home for unwed moms budget was cut by 20%. Actually Palin increased the overall budget of the Covenant House by 300% from the $1.3M they were granted in 2007. In fact, their TOTAL REVENUE last year was just over $3M, so Palin granted that and more in one swoop.

Source? I'll keep wearing my hipwaders until you provide a source.
slkshock7
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 08:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
Debra, CI,
I've got no idea of what you're trying to say by throwing Operating budget pdfs at me. OK, it shows that the budgets have decreased from FY06, but that's meaningless unless you know the context, which was best offered in the bigger picture of the link I provided.

Instead of throwing accusations against Palin based on budget documents taken out of context, why don't you take the word of some of the folks that are actually impacted by the budget.

Quote:
A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.

Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. Total K-12 funding will rise to $1.2 billion from $1.1 billion, when transportation, energy, and other state funds are included, according to estimates from the governor’s Office of Management and Budget.

The state also agreed to add another $216 million to fill in shortfalls in its teacher-retirement system, the budget office said.

Carl Rose, the executive director of the Association of Alaska School Boards, praised the changes in funding for rural schools and students with special needs as a “historic event,” and said the finance overhaul would bring more stability to district budgets.

Bill Bjork, the president of the Alaska state affiliate of the National Education Association, said that he was pleased with those changes, but that the plan, and the increase in per-pupil spending, “doesn’t do enough, soon enough,” particularly given the state’s strong oil revenues.


Source is same link I provided in my earlier response....


Raising special needs students funding from $26.9K to $73.8K per student, doesn't real cold-hearted to me. And certainly the leaders in the Education community don't feel so either.

Now CI.
Unlike Debra's I've been unsuccessful finding anything more on the apparent cuts to the Commission on Aging. I did find FY07 and FY08 minutes from that agency that were pretty positive about their budgets, although they worried about some program called FACES that didn't make it. No explanation on the reason, but they were actively trying to get it enacted in a budget supplemental.

Now, if you dig deep enough, you'll probably find a few programs that took hits under Palin's budgets and, without any context to judge, you might think that the cut was unfair or uncompassionate. And I'm sure if you look at budgets that Obama managed.....oh...what's that? Oh yeah, he hasn't managed a budget.

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slkshock7
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 08:57 am
@DrewDad,
The source I used was included in my post...but here's another one from their web site with the 2007 Covenant House Alaska financials....
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Hiclay2000
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 09:27 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
I wonder what the democrates would say if Obama had McCains history and McCain had Obamas history.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 09:39 am
Quote:
If Biden And Obama Aren't Qualified


There is no "If" about it.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 04:09 pm
@Cliff Hanger,
Cliff Hanger wrote:

Remember, this is a woman who considers "it's God's will" to go to war with Iraq.


and bush, we're told, said "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did,...".

i would be willing to let this go as hearsay, except when asked if he had talked to his father, ghwb, about going to war with iraq,

Quote:
Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? “I asked the president about this. And President Bush said, ‘Well, no,’ and then he got defensive about it,” says Woodward. “Then he said something that really struck me. He said of his father, ‘He is the wrong father to appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms of strength.’ And then he said, ‘There's a higher Father that I appeal to.’"

Beyond not asking his father about going to war, Woodward was startled to learn that the president did not ask key cabinet members either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/main612067.shtml

this is just one more thing that says to me that the mcain presidency with palin in tow would be nothing but another bush presidency with prez and veep swapping ideological chairs.


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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 04:17 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O
Confront the Non-American world with convincing argument about the subject of this thread
Paul Krugman, The New York Times is the puny American but a decent puny and he had this view about your noble(godly) party's stategy.

Can the super-rich former governor of Massachusetts - the son of a Fortune 500 C.E.O. who made a vast fortune in the leveraged-buyout business - really keep a straight face while denouncing "Eastern elites"?

Can the former mayor of New York City, a man who, as USA Today put it, "marched in gay pride parades, dressed up in drag and lived temporarily with a gay couple and their Shih Tzu" - that was between his second and third marriages - really get away with saying that Barack Obama doesn't think small towns are sufficiently "cosmopolitan"?

Can the vice-presidential candidate of a party that has controlled the White House, Congress or both for 26 of the past 28 years, a party that, Borg-like, assimilated much of the D.C. lobbying industry into itself - until Congress changed hands, high-paying lobbying jobs were reserved for loyal Republicans - really portray herself as running against the "Washington elite"?

Yes, they can.
( the rest you can read)
http://www.truthout.org/article/the-resentment-strategy
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 04:34 pm
@DrewDad,
Here is info on the "cut" to Covenant House.

A mulit-year capital budget from the state was cut by 20% from what was originally in the budget passed by the legislature.

http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/EWThrockmorton/11581381/

That makes more sense because I wasn't seeing $3 million from the state for its operating budget. In fact it looks like the state gives very little to Covenant House for its operating budget. Most of the money comes from private donations.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2008 12:39 am
@eoe,
Eoe

Bipo is one of those rare excused louts.

Ultimately he's a true-believer so cut him some slack when he posts crude, ignorant and sexist coments.

Afterall - he's announced he's voting for Obama, so cut him some slack.
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