@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
And we shouldnt have.
We should not have attacked Kosovo, nor should we have provided any aid to them.
So what should the punishment be?
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Now tell me, when you say..."Russia unilaterally recognizes the independence of South Ossetia in much the same way and what's good for the goose should be good for the gander", are you suggesting that we started a war so Kosovo could become independent?
Where did you make that idiotic leap? I suggested nothing of the sort. The US and its western allies unilaterally recognized Kosovo as an independent nation. That is simple fact.
Quote:Are you suggesting that the US invaded Serbia in support of Kosovo independence?
Are you suggesting that the US started that war?
I'm suggesting you read the news at this point, you seem to have no idea what you are talking about. I'm talking about an event in February this year and not the previous military conflicts.
Start here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/world/europe/19kosovo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
NY Times wrote:
Kosovo won the recognition of the United States and its biggest Western European allies on Monday, while earning rebukes and rejections from Serbia, Russia and a disparate mix of states the world over who face their own separatist movements at home.
There is an example of the US unilaterally deciding that a breakaway region of Serbia is an independent nation. Russia has unilaterally decided to recognize the independence of South Ossetia.
You criticize Russia for meddling in the "internal" matters of another country, but it the US can recognize countries at whim then upon what basis do you declare that Russia can't?
These are events that are connected, and part of what I'm criticizing. The US is rewriting maps, has no leverage to prevent Russia from doing the same, and yet has the temerity to talk tough about it.
Quote:We should not have recognized Kosovo, nor should we recognize the independence of South Ossetia, at least not till the govt of Georgia does.
It's just not that simple. Have you ever read the US Declaration of Independence?
Quote:When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.....
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
It asserts self-determination as a natural law. South Ossetia has been fighting for self determination for a decade and separatism is not as simple as you make it out to be.
Quote:Legitimacy or not boils down to a single question: Who is authorized to decide whether or not any given government is legitimate?
Is this a decision which is made by large powers only, such as the United States, Russia, or China? If so, why them? They have sometimes created countries out of places where no countries existed before. But the majority of the countries in the world were not created that way.
Or is this decision made in the United Nations? A few countries in the world have been created after joint decisions in the United Nations, with examples including Namibia and East Timor. Soon, Kosovo may be added to the list. But the United Nations is not in the business of creating new countries, and the majority of the countries in the world were not created this way.
So how were the majority of the countries created? The same way that Moldova was: By a unilateral declaration of independence.
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/1241
The US has been undermining international rule of law in order to not have an authority to answer to. That lacking authority creates these kinds of situations where might makes right.
The US has preached might makes right for a decade now, and this is an example where the US lacks the might to get what it wants and there are no other legitimate authorities to deal with it objectively.