Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

That's "20 year teacher."

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P.S. - Foxfyre response: You just didn't understand what I said. You're just so full of hate that you want to attack me with ad homs!

"20-year teacher", not "20-year-old teacher". There's a difference.

Yeah, CI, already busted me on that one.

*puts reading glasses back on*

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Who is denying it ci. Who are you addressing. Have you reached 10,000 retailings of that simple point yet?

You'll be telling us it's Saturday next as if you have had another Eureka moment which you need to share.

spendi, Your confusion about religion and ID have already been expressed to the point of exhaustion. Give us all a break.

We haven't got started yet ci. This is preliminary skirmishing. Making you lot look a a bunch of tounge-tied nitwits is the easy bit.

Are you seriously suggesting that a matter that has been strenuously debated for hundreds of years by the great and the good, with even your own family on my side, can be summarily dismissed by a plonker like you with a quick phrase like "superstitious nonsense". Atheism is superstitious nonsense on the same argument you are using. As I have explained and without any rebuttals from you .

Are you suggesting that Darwin had all those nervous wobblings and anxious delays about publishing for no reason.

You might have driven Frank Apisa off these threads with your stubborn stupidities and with posts like that but I'm not him. In fact proof of your stupidity is right there in that post. That you think a thing like that worth saying after my taking no notice of such tripe for so long is conclusive evidence that your head is impervious.

And if atheist teachers with 20 years experience are going to start on about "superstitious nonsense" in front of a class where 85% of the parents reject atheism and most of whom have attended baptisms, weddings and funerals at which a "servant of God" did the honours, what are such atheists going to teach when they get the green light to let it all hang out. That guy should be fired for his stupidity if for nothing else.

You give it a break. You contribute nothing but blurts and snorts and wet farts.

You're a fool and don't belong on a science thread. It is you who is confused.

You're always on about the consequences of the bail-outs. Why do you ignore the consequences of an officially atheist society?

I'm going t't pub. There's a gig on and the monkey women are on the loose.

Maybe they need Jack Nicholson to come in and tell them they can't handle the truth.

Much better Just think how much fun it would have been to hear that point argued in court

I was reviewing old posts and ran into this:

One of Scott's points during the broadcast was that the "Strengths and Weaknesses" argument, even though scientifically defensible, would actually be used by Creationists to require text book producers to include "weaknesses" in the textbooks. And by "Weaknesses" they actually mean the long litany of Creationist bullshit which we find on the Internet (and which has been debunked many times over). The Strengths and Weaknesses language (and whatever other language they construct) is used to get Creationist propaganda in front of students in their science text books. It has nothing to do with really teaching kids to study the strengths and weaknesses of any scientific theory.

Then why not introduce into science classes the strengths and weaknesses that we actually went to the moon? Let's have all conspiracy theories explored -- the wedge effort now played down by DI as it lost them financial backing is a conspiracy theory that teaching evolution in our classrooms is purposefully destroying the Christian religion. The wedge is still there but even with some stealth it's still awkwardly transparent that those protesting are not using science but religion.

Yeah totally. Can you imagine? So entertaining.

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Hey, let's not be so irreligious -- Daffy Duck and Mickey Mouse are both male.

Who was the surrogate? Old Mother Hubbard?

Just pointing out how damaging "strengths and weaknesses" are to text books, even though science always examines true strengths and weaknesses within itself.

Scientists are primarily skeptics and that's why the ID psuedo-science didn't have a chance to pass the smell test. But then, judges, legislators and teachers have also pulled aside the IDer's Saran Wrap shield so that even the ignorant should be able to see. Unfortunately, the religious fundamentalists don't have eyes to see.

You know folks-- you really have to congratulate ros and lw and tko.

I mean to say. Such insights. Absolutely original. Philosophy at the cutting edge. Plato would have been gobsmacked. He would have had to revise all his crazy ideas.

The last few posts on this thread have made me realise just how inadequate my education has been. I hadn't realised before that judges, legislators and teachers had also pulled aside the IDer's Saran Wrap shield before. It's amazing what you can learn on A2K if you go on the threads where the serious intellectuals sacrifice their precious time to bring us all up to date with the latest in post-modernist thinking. I don't even know who else had pulled aside the Saran Wrap shield. I think we should be told.

And it is just what we need to have Jack Nicholson come in and tell the truth.

Like restaurants are places were **** making costs most.

Like the headmistress has skiddies in her kecks by clocking off time at least.

Like everything is just going to be as you see it now when there is no more superstitious nonsense except there won't be any preachers to keep in the manner they are accustomed to.

Like nobody will be ripping the linings out of your pockets once we get rid of priestcraft. You'll all be in clover.

Like you're all going to be rational, intellectuals like ros and lw and tko whether you like it or not.

Like I'm holding myself back with those examples so as not to upset you.

How can you resist such powerful arguments that ros and lw and tko have brought before us. They are irrefutable. How can you not dearly wish that you can deploy irrefutable philosophical positions like those we have been privileged to have had brought to our attention here. It's so satisfying don't you think.

It's a safety net. No risk, You're fireproof with such unassailable truths at your disposal. You'll be able to spend the rest of your life in intimate conversation with your acquaintances reassuring each other that your unassailable truths are true and there'll be no need to get involved in anymore arguments or disputes about anything because the truth will be scientifically determined and the referee's decision will be final it having been read off a mass spectrometer print-out and thus beyond the reach of interpretation.

But really folks- don't you think it is about time you got your act together. You can expect ros and lw and tko to keep on repeating these important shards of wisdom for ever and ever. It's not fair. How would you like to spend the rest of your life with the needle stuck in the groove of a 78 rpm bakelite gramaphone record playing Tell Me the Old Old Story with the "Old Old" being where the needle is stuck with a click every 60/78 ths of a minute.

Shape up.

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