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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 03:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hes not. Hes taking a forced position in order to make apoint. He is, however, what Jerry Coyne calls nothing more than a theistic evolutionist whos bound by his CAtholicism to buy some silliness that his church teaches and he buys it without question
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 03:18 pm
The typo policeman just awoke. We already know his position of sexual promiscuity -- the Missionary Position. As to my opinion on abortion or sexual promiscuity, he'd be wrong.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 04:29 pm
@Lightwizard,
I didn't express a view on your position on either matter. I know you are utterly confused and nobody can predict the position of confused persons from one minute to the next.

What do you think got Darwin off in the dark with Emma in their middle years? After a five year long wank-fest.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 08:57 am
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Creationists' arguments against evolution, for intelligent design show dishonesty
(Jason Hoskin, Texas Tech University Newspaper, April 27, 2009)

The Young Earth Creationists spearheaded by the Discovery Institute have scored a victory in dictating public policy with regard to how science education is taught in public schools.

Fortunately, the pro-science advocates were successful in preventing the adoption of the "strengths and weaknesses" clause with respect to the theory of evolution. This clause falsely implies there is scientific evidence in favor of intelligent design creationism or against evolution.

However, the Discovery Institute successfully lobbied the Texas School Board to revise the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills to include a clause requiring students to "analyze and evaluate" evolution, including to "analyze and evaluate" core evolutionary claims like natural selection, mutations and common ancestry according to Discovery Institute fellow Casey Luskin.

By casting unwarranted doubt on evolution, creationists have succeeded in leaving the door open to allowing the teaching of intelligent design creationism. This is a goal the Discovery Institute actively sought in its support of the teaching of intelligent design creationism in the Kitzmiller v. Dover Pennsylvania case. Nevertheless, conservative Judge John E. Jones III, a Bush appointee ruled, "(Intelligent design creationism) is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory."

This recent political lobbying is consistent with the institute's mission to seek "nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies." These legacies include "scientific materialism" which, according to the Institute's Wedge Document, has led to moral relativism and its consequent diminution of personal responsibility.

To justify this introduction of pseudoscience into the curriculum, creationists frequently use the refrain we should "teach the controversy" - that is to say give equal time to opposing points of view merely because there are people who hold them.

There are serious problems with a consistent application of this principle, as creationists are undoubtedly aware. There would in principle be no reason to bar the teaching of creation myths of Buddhism or Hinduism or any of the hundreds of minor myths, all during science education class.

This consequence is no doubt unpalatable to Christian creationists, as well as principled defenders of the Constitution.

Why not give a hearing to the Flat Earth Society who no doubt would love to require that students be made to evaluate "all sides of the scientific evidence" regarding the shape of the Earth? Why limit this relativism to the epistemic variety. Why not teach Nazism and communism as viable political systems or that cannibalism is just another preference.

Clearly, the "teach the controversy" refrain takes as its premise that all ideas and belief systems are equally valid in a sense, so long as there are people endorse them. We are thus faced with the startling prospect of a radical right-wing organization-endorsing relativism. It is ironic the same organization that claims to oppose the encroachment of relativism in culture depends on it to advance their agenda.

There are a number of criteria a given set of ideas must satisfy in order to be accepted as part of a scientific discipline.

First is a particular theory undergo examination by the peer review process. It is important to note there is not one peer reviewed article that has been published supporting intelligent design, either produced by the "scientists" at the Discovery Institute, or anyone else according.

By contrast, there is not one peer-reviewed article challenging evolution 150 years after Darwin published "The Origin of Species" according to philosopher Barbara Forrest.

As Theodosius Dobzhansky said, nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Evolution has helped us understand genetics, microbiology, etc. It has led to the development of medical technology that has saved the lives of billions of people and extended the human life span from about 30 to 80 years in less than two centuries.

As Discovery Institute fellow Philip E. Johnson admits, the issue of intelligent design creationism "Isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy."

The historical record attests to this fact: Creationism, in any of its forms, has yet to produce one piece of empirical evidence that has increased the body of scientific knowledge, despite having an 1850-year head start on the theory of evolution.

More importantly, it has not led to a single instance of medical technology or saved a single human life from the ravages of disease. This is because evolutionary biology is a process of making inferences based on observations about the world, a process that intelligent design creationism proponents decry as "materialism."

By contrast, intelligent design creationism is little more than adherence to the arbitrary assertions of religious dogma, while ignoring the vast body of facts provided by observation.

This is the reason why evolution has earned its place in the curriculum in its undiluted form and why creationism has no place in education.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 10:09 am
@wandeljw,
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Why not give a hearing to the Flat Earth Society who no doubt would love to require that students be made to evaluate "all sides of the scientific evidence" regarding the shape of the Earth? Why limit this relativism to the epistemic variety. Why not teach Nazism and communism as viable political systems or that cannibalism is just another preference.


For the very simple reason that teaching any of those would result in the schools being attacked by irate parents and the elective offices being revised by the electorate. Which won't happen if evolution theory is "analyzed and evaluated".

Is that a difficult point for you to understand wande? I feel sure if you did understand it, as most people do, it would save you from posting drivel on what is supposed to be an intellectual thread.

Still Jason fulfilled his word quota for the editor TTUN I suppose and probably never anticipated that his words would be given international exposure before an audience which consists of a number of those sort of people who ros thinks can't think clearly.

He was obviously too shy to have mentioned the philosophy of the Marquis de Sade or the pagan activities at Eleusis in honour of Ceres and Prosperine which lasted 1800 years and contained salvation and damnation and priestly celibacy. Jesus self-evidently had knowledge of those mysteries.

It might be his ignorance but I doubt that for someone pontificating on religious matters in the public prints. Surely not. It must be his reticence I feel.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 10:09 am
"More importantly, it has not led to a single instance of medical technology or saved a single human life from the ravages of disease. This is because evolutionary biology is a process of making inferences based on observations about the world, a process that intelligent design creationism proponents decry as "materialism."

Interesting that materialism is in quotation marks. That's because there is no Earthly way that label can be planted on just scientists or science advocate.

The same Christians stress that mankind has free will which is purely a rationalization for having extravagant possessions and accumulating incredible wealth (money is also a possession). Christ would be appalled at the "followers" who are driving gas-eating luxury cars, living in luxury homes (sometimes multiple like a certain presidential candidate) away from the hoi polloi, the wives (if they haven't divorced) sporting diamond rings the size of a hubcap, socializing only with their snooty milieu, et al, and all the mark of a materialistic person. That's a one good reason why the US is in such a financial shambles -- it became no longer enough to make ten million dollars if one's neighbor makes twenty million, so by hook-or-by-crook and throwing the consequences of poorly thought-out investments to the wind, it became a competition of avarice. That's the materialism that Jesus condemned in the temple and in nearly everything he said -- "the meek shall inherit the Earth."

It doesn't help that they believe we are unique in the Universe, in other words, the center of the Universe. The egotism that we are a chosen people and their God has not created any comparable or even a superior race throughout the entire Universe is enough to figure out why their agenda is to stamp out the voice of science and especially of evolution.

The idiot that just recently stumbled onto the boards with the "we were descended from monkeys" is up to a startling, ego-busting revelation if he actually studies evolution. We are descended from a crude amphibian-like creature which crawled out of the sea and evolved to breath air. The "walking fish" still exists. Surprise, surprise as Gomer Pyle would say.







spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:04 pm
@Lightwizard,
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"More importantly, it has not led to a single instance of medical technology or saved a single human life from the ravages of disease. This is because evolutionary biology is a process of making inferences based on observations about the world, a process that intelligent design creationism proponents decry as "materialism."


That's a really ignorant statement and it depends on an ignorant audience to save it from being laughed at. I'll bet you couldn't get a serious scientist to say it.

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Interesting that materialism is in quotation marks. That's because there is no Earthly way that label can be planted on just scientists or science advocate.


The word when used in intellectual debate basically means the philosophy of Empedocles. That there is nothing but atoms and void. Democritus as well. That only atoms are real. Colours, flavours, shapes, temperatures etc are subjective. Einstein changed that to include energy seen as interchangeable with matter and thus, in essence, the same thing.

It is used in vulgar speech to denote an exclusive concern with goods. Democracy is a word which also has a different meaning in vulgar speech than from a philosophical meaning.

In the philosophical sense science is materialism with curiosity added.

Your rich fats cats are engaged in a religion. That's not materialism at all. Not on a science thread anyway.

You have confessed many times LW to using goods and services to point up an invidious comparison between yourself and others. You look like you are criticising those who do it on a grander scale than you can manage. Give you the money and you could go a bit at the display game. That stuff on the Coffee House is cringe inspiring. Aping your superiors. Your Puerto Rican slaves are probably only partially trained in the arts and they are only temporary as well. You hire them for an hour. I take it for granted that they spit in the soup. Or worse.

My frequenting of a low bar and my drinking what is known here as "no nonsense" beer gets me out of looking as silly as you do with your envy masquerading as political wisdom.

You really owe it to yourself to read a better class of literature.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:42 pm
@wandeljw,
There was the noxious odor of a troll passing through but I held my nose and let him spout out the green bile from his mouth. Pity he has to always try to bring everyone down to his level of self-gratifying sophism but that's to be expect of a troll who's a pub fly.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:48 pm
@Lightwizard,
Hey LW- that was only a gentle tug on your chain. There was no need to go into automatic again.

It doesn't disguise the fact that you have no answers. Rather it draws attention to it.
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 10:36 pm
@spendius,
Bet you get a front seat in the auditorium of your God in your heaven--you can then look down on all us disbelievers in your hell and smirk at how you knew what was true.
I hope they speak in tongue's up there in heaven, so they can understand what the hell you are talking about, unlike us poor sods.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 05:40 am
@tenderfoot,
No. I would use my powers to spring you all. It would spoil my enjoyment to think of you suffering having to put up with indignant Hitler types.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2009 07:24 pm
@tenderfoot,
He thinks he's qualified to take St. Peter's job but he isn't fit to clean up Peter's toilets.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 29 Apr, 2009 08:48 am
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Brisbane creationist group settles US legal dispute
(Brisbane Times, April 29, 2009)

Two groups with Australian links that teach the literal truth of the Bible creation story have settled a lawsuit in the United States.

Kentucky-based ministry Answers in Genesis and Brisbane-based Creation Ministries International were in dispute over copyright, magazine subscription lists and rights to spread the creationist message.

The lead protagonists, Ken Ham and Carl Wieland, once shared leadership of the Creation Science Foundation in Australia.

In 1987 Mr Ham moved to the US and in 1994 he established Answers in Genesis (AiG), which soon outgrew Creation Ministries International (CMI), headed by Mr Wieland.

AiG's activities included the establishment of the Creation Museum, which disputes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution in favour of a "scientific" interpretation of the book of Genesis.

In 2005, Mr Wieland proposed reforms to AiG, which brought the parties into dispute.

Attempts at reconciliation foundered, and in 2007 CMI launched action in the Supreme Court in Queensland against AiG and Mr Ham.

In response AiG sought enforcement in Kentucky of an agreement between the parties that any disputes go to "Christian arbitration".

The District Court ordered the arbitration and it has now been confirmed by the Court of Appeal.

The Supreme Court action launched in Queensland by CMI was voluntarily suspended by the parties pending the appeal in the US.

"CMI and AiG are pleased to inform you that the dispute between the ministries has been settled to their mutual satisfaction," the parties said in a statement.

"Each ministry is now focused on its respective mission, having put this dispute behind them in April of 2009."

Mr Wieland said he would not pursue the action in the Queensland Supreme Court and the dispute was at an end.

He declined to comment further.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 29 Apr, 2009 09:01 am
@wandeljw,
What an unfortunate acronym for Answers in Genesis, but it's ironically funny that the Creationuts are fighting with each other.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 29 Apr, 2009 09:02 am
@Lightwizard,
Also ironic that one party has to enforce an agreement that they only use Christian arbitration.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 29 Apr, 2009 04:00 pm
@wandeljw,
The article of dispute was based upon the Biblical Truth that T Rex was indeed a vegetarian. He only ate meat to flavor his veggies.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 29 Apr, 2009 04:13 pm
@farmerman,
Well, that makes me feel better in case something strange and improbable happens sometime, somewhere, I'd better be carrying a bunches of carrots, spinach, celery, and kale. Of course, if primordial trees and plants were his taste, I'm going to have to be prepared to be eaten.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 03:00 pm
TEXAS UPDATE
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McLeroy confirmation blocked
(By Kate Alexander, Austin American-Statesman, April 30, 2009)

The confirmation of State Board of Education Chairman Don McLeroy is dead in the water, Sen. Mike Jackson, R-La Porte, said Thursday.

Jackson, chairman of the Senate Nominations Committee, said McLeroy will be left pending in committee because there is enough opposition on the floor of the Senate to block his confirmation, which requires approval of two-thirds of the senators.

There are too many other important issues to take up on the floor to waste time on a doomed confirmation, Jackson said.

After a contentious confirmation hearing last week, Jackson said he would take the temperature of his colleagues before determining whether to give McLeroy a committee vote.

McLeroy, R-Bryan, was first elected to the State Board of Education in 1998 and would retain his seat as a board member even if not confirmed as chairman by the end of the legislative session. Gov. Rick Perry would then pick a chairman from among the other board members who would not face Senate confirmation until 2011.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 03:06 pm
@wandeljw,
So perhaps we can still hold a place for Texas at the Intergalactic table of reason. I am much pleased how these earthlings do not require intervention from us, which would have beencounter to the Federations Prime DIrective.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 03:23 pm
@farmerman,
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched effemm. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
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