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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 06:01 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Try sprinkling catnip on the mashed potatoes.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 05:26 am
@Lightwizard,
One of the ways of distinguishing the factual based theory from the "other stuff" is to look at the predictive capability that underpins the theory or the "ID myth". M P Duhem was always stating that the "auxiliary propositions" that underlie a theory are the only things that can be used to develop testable prediction. Duhem said that the chemistry or physics laws (laws are the truths that can be expressed as an equation) are the auxiliary propositions that can be turned into predictions. SO far, we see that, the theroy of natural selection (and of sexual selection) can be tested via the chemistry, biology, physics, geo, etc, whereas, everthing that has been drug out to construct a testable prediction for ID has fallen flat on its face.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 05:28 am
@farmerman,
oh yeh,
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Ive found this to be the best way of coping with a troll
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 06:12 am
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Texas textbook decisions on science standards have national implications
(By Robert Marus, Associated Baptist Press, 01 April 2009)

More than two centuries after his birth and nearly 150 years after his groundbreaking On the Origin of Species was published, Charles Darwin is still a controversial character in Texas. And the latest battle over his legacy there could have implications for the entire nation’s public schools.

In a series of votes March 26 and 27, the Texas Board of Education narrowly defeated controversial language for state science standards that would have called for public-school teachers to offer instruction on the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolutionary theory. But they also adopted language in several compromise amendments that, according to some science and civil-liberties groups, could offer a foothold for creationist theories about the origins of life to climb into the state’s classrooms and textbooks.

“I think the big picture was they essentially adopted amendments ... that will allow creationists on the board to pressure publishers into putting phony challenges to evolution in their textbooks that are based on almost straight-up creationist arguments,” said Dan Quinn, communications director for the Texas Freedom Network, March 31. Quinn’s group has been leading Texas’ opposition to the slim minority of members on the board who are closely aligned with Religious Right groups.

Both literal “young-Earth” creationism and its close relative, intelligent-design theory, have lost repeated battles in federal courts in recent years, with judges ruling that they are too tied to religious teachings and too removed from scientific consensus to pass constitutional muster. In response, many proponents of religious explanations for the origins of life have shifted tactics to a “teach the controversy” approach to teaching about evolution and other controversial scientific theories in public schools.

Creationism is the approach that asserts God created the Earth in ways literally consistent with the two creation stories found in the first two chapters of Genesis. Intelligent-design theory, meanwhile, does not necessitate belief in literal six-day creationism, but posits that life is too complex to have evolved merely by mutation and natural selection without the aid of some unseen intelligent force guiding the process.

Proponents of creationism and intelligent design in several states have, in recent years, attempted to force science teachers to offer evidence for and against major parts of evolutionary theory, despite the fact that the vast majority of the mainstream scientific community supports it. In fact, most scientific professional societies contend, evolution is not a “theory” as the term is used in non-scientific parlance. Rather, they note, Darwin’s observations have repeatedly been proven accurate, and evolutionary concepts underpin much of modern biology, chemistry and other scientific disciplines.

One of the compromise amendments requires that students learn how to “analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations in all fields of science.” That includes “examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.”

Other amendments to the standards would require students know how to think critically about “sudden appearance, stasis, and the sequential nature of groups in the fossil record,” about theories on how the “complexity of the cell” evolved and about the emergence of primordial life from organic compounds.

Quinn said such doubts about the scientific consensus on evolution are “all straight out of the intelligent-design handbook,” because virtually all scientists except those advocating intelligent design say there is no serious scientific debate about evolution.

Quinn said the language therefore wasn’t compromise, but capitulation. “You’re dealing with people who want to dumb down science; you can’t compromise with that,” he said. “It’s sort of like saying, ‘I know that two plus two equals four; you believe that two plus two equals six.’ I’m not going to compromise and say, ‘Two plus two equals five; that’s just wrong.’”

Groups that support creationism and intelligent design, meanwhile, welcomed the compromise language.

“The new science standards mark a significant victory for scientists and educators in favor of teaching the scientific evidence for and against evolution,” said a statement from the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, the nation’s leading proponent of intelligent design. The group said the scientific community’s Darwinian consensus was its own sort of “dogma” that should not keep students from learning how to evaluate significant aspects of evolution.

“Contrary to the claims of the evolution lobby, absolutely nothing the [Texas Education] Board did promotes ‘creationism’ or religion in the classroom,” said John West, senior fellow at the institute. “Groups that assert otherwise are lying, plain and simple. Like the boy who cried ‘wolf,’ the Darwin only lobby always screams ‘creationism!’ anytime educators or policymakers try to ensure a fair presentation of the scientific evidence both for and against evolution. Let’s be absolutely clear: Under the new standards, students will be expected to analyze and evaluate the scientific evidence for evolution, not religion. Period.”

At least six other states -- Alabama, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and South Carolina -- have adopted science standards requiring students to learn how to evaluate aspects of evolutionary theory critically.

But Texas’ decision is different, because it is one of the nation’s largest markets for school textbooks. Textbook publishers, therefore, often write their texts to Texas standards.

Quinn said textbook publishers will be faced with a Hobson’s choice -- write books to suit standards that a conservative Texas education board will approve the next time textbooks are chosen in 2011, or ignore the huge Texas market altogether.

"Basically, the book they create for us is going to be poison everywhere else,” he said. “It’s a real problem for them; it’s a real problem for Texas kids.”

Don McLeroy (R-College Station), a creationist who serves as the elected board’s chairman, said textbook companies are on notice that “they'll have to get their textbooks approved by us in a few years,” the Dallas Morning News reported.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:16 am
@farmerman,
This is were the DI really fucks up -- trying to reconcile geological ages with evolution. When the primates and man were first trudging around the Earth out of Africa with more and more fossil discoveries and advances in DNA research, among other facts of evolution, shoot them down like ducks at a carnival. I think nearly all scientists (the real ones) ignore DI and other IDiots and Creationuts as nonsense. Why bother cluttering up your mind? The first ten pages of "Of Pandas and People" made me start laughing and I scanned the rest of the book as if I was reading Dr. Seuss or Edward Lear. The IDiots don't really test anything except in their disturbed Machiavellian mind. The NOVA show covering the discovery of a very small raptor with four wings who could glide fairly long distances was on last night.

Going back to Darwin's Origin and Dawn of Man to point out were he even admitted were suppositions is just plain stupid. Garden variety sophomoric, rhetorical nonsense leading to erratic sciolistic conclusions.

Link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/microraptor/resources.html

I always try to post links for statements and direct quotes from another site, unlike some who won't do it because they are embarrassed where they found it.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:19 am
@wandeljw,
I'm already seeing the textbook on Amazon:

Evolution for Real Dummies
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:39 am
@Lightwizard,
This is the part of the news item that really bothered me:
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Don McLeroy (R-College Station), a creationist who serves as the elected board’s chairman, said textbook companies are on notice that “they'll have to get their textbooks approved by us in a few years,” the Dallas Morning News reported.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:49 am
@wandeljw,
I don't think it will make it that far before it gets challenged in the court system. Are our judges more educated in the constitutional law than our politicians? I think so.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 09:13 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

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Texas textbook decisions on science standards have national implications
(By Robert Marus, Associated Baptist Press, 01 April 2009)

At least six other states -- Alabama, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and South Carolina -- have adopted science standards requiring students to learn how to evaluate aspects of evolutionary theory critically.

I wonder what the specific language for the standards in those other states looks like?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 09:20 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

This is the part of the news item that really bothered me:
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Don McLeroy (R-College Station), a creationist who serves as the elected board’s chairman, said textbook companies are on notice that “they'll have to get their textbooks approved by us in a few years,” the Dallas Morning News reported.

*IF* the creationists are still on the board in a couple of years.

As we've seen in several other cases, once the Creationists come out of the shadows they have often been voted off of school boards as a result. Actions in Dover PA and in Kansas seem to indicate that rational people are only tolerant of Creationist activities as long as they are not overt. But if the Creationists draw too much attention to themselves or their activities (thank you to the media for loving inflammatory stories) then the normally silent majority gets aggravated and stomps on them pretty quickly.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 09:51 am
@rosborne979,
I don't know about that cowboy mentality in Texas -- we just got rid of a President riddled with it. "Bring 'em on," "Dead or Alive," "crusade against terrorism," "Shucks, I don't know nothing about evolution Miss Scarlett."

It could possibly happen after a lawsuit blocking the law itself and/or the rewriting of textbooks. Build a bald lie and they will come.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 10:44 am
We got some real dicks in Texas.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 10:51 am
@rosborne979,
I can tell you how PA did it because I was on a committee from the PA Geologists Council. The ed standards had the entire science curriculum based upon the understanding of the scientific method, which became the standard with which the rest was developed. It requires the careful consideration and understanding of the subject in the light of the S. M.
Not really difficult when everything is shaken out. THe authors of the language were, ironically, a bunch of profs from Lehigh and Penn State (Homes of two of the more famous IDjits)
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 05:30 pm
@farmerman,
Have certificated ex students of Lehigh and Penn State got expensive and nicely designed pieces of waste paper framed up on the wall then?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 08:16 am
DOVER CITIZENS REACT TO TEXAS SCIENCE STANDARDS
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Texas science standards recall Dover intelligent design battle
(By JEFF FRANTZ, York Daily Record, 04/04/2009)

Steve Stough was silent.

He had just heard a passage from Texas' new public school science standards, and was processing.

Then: "Oh ----," he said. "That's intelligent design without using the nomenclature. It really, truly is."

Stough was one of 11 parents who sued the Dover Area School District in 2004 after the district became the first in the country to require the mention of intelligent design in high school biology class.

After a six-week trial in 2005, a federal judge ruled intelligent design was a form of creationism that had a primary objective of promoting religion, and that including it as part of the science curriculum violated the separation of church and state.

Science teachers in Texas and around the country have said the state's new standards, passed last month, represent the next frontier in the battle over how evolution is taught in public schools.

Critics charge that the Texas board has codified many of intelligent design's arguments, but without using the politically-charged term that has been associated with creationism, particularly since the Dover case.

Backers -- many of whom have supported teaching intelligent design or creationism --maintain the language is only an effort toward teaching science better.

The new Texas standards removed a requirement that students analyze the "strengths and weaknesses" of the theory of evolution.

In its place, students must now "analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations in all fields of science." Additionally, several amendments require students to analyze and critique specific ideas, such as "explanations concerning the complexity of the cell."

Board president Don McElroy, a creationist, told The Associated Press the later amendment was added "to account for that amazing complexity. I think it's a standard that makes it honest with our children."

Two other amendments McElroy proposed -- that would have required students to study the "sufficiency or insufficiency" of common ancestry and natural selection of species, both key principals of Darwin -- were voted down by the board.

Those involved on the plaintiffs' side of the Dover lawsuit said it all sounds too familiar.

"It just seems to be the next way to bring creationism back in, but they're not so blunt about it," said Tammy Kitzmiller, the plaintiff whose name was listed first on the lawsuit.

"It's definitely a backdoor approach. It's understated. It's re-worded. It's going to fly under the radar for a lot of people."

Michael Baldwin first became concerned about the new standards as ideas for them were unveiled two years ago.

A biology teacher in Brownsville, Texas, Baldwin is the president of the Science Teachers Association of Texas. He was shown a demonstration of an exercise where seventh-grade earth science students were supposed to analyze plate tectonic theory.

The exercise, he said, included two differing explanations for how the plates that cover the earth move. The explanations were presented in such a way as to suggest that plate tectonic theory itself might be wrong because there is disagreement about how it works.

But in mainstream science, tectonic theory is an accepted building block of geology, Baldwin said, just like evolution is considered the foundation of biology.

The new standards, Baldwin said, are filled with such ideological traps that could create the appearance of scientific doubt in areas of certainty.

Ken Miller is the co-author of the most widely used biology textbook in Texas, and was one of the plaintiffs' expert witnesses in the Dover trial.

"(The standard's authors) say 'All we really want to do is propose critical analysis of evolution,'" said Miller, a professor at Brown University. "But then you look at their critical set of arguments, it's the same thing they were saying about intelligent design."

The standard requiring students to critique "explanations concerning complexity of the cell," Miller said, parrots the concept of "irreducible complexity," one of intelligent design's main tenets.

Another standard says students must analyze scientific explanations concerning any data of "sudden appearance," which Miller called an element of intelligent design. In the Dover trial, the plaintiffs showed manuscripts for an unreleased textbook in which the phrase replaced "intelligent design."

Even setting aside ideology, Baldwin said it is not feasible for third- through 12th-grade teachers to cover every argument someone wants to present about a subject. Still, he said, he's optimistic science teachers will be able to do their jobs.

"It's only going to be an issue if some parent says you're talking about natural selection and here's some information from my church that you need to present because it's the law," Baldwin said. "We don't know if that's going to happen or how often, but it's what we're all fearful of."

Those who back the new standards say that there is a stark difference between intelligent design and what the Texas board adopted.

The new standards require teachers to give their students the full range of information on evolution, said Casey Luskin, the program officer for public policy and legal affairs for the Discovery Institute, which promotes intelligent design.

The Discovery Institute does not support teaching intelligent design in public schools because it politicizes the issue and makes it harder for researchers, Luskin said, which is why the institute did not back the Dover school district during the trial.

He said experts like Miller are being disingenuous when they describe sudden appearance as if it's solely associated with intelligent design.

"This is bullcrap," Luskin said. "Terms like abrupt appearance, sudden appearance, you can find them in the mainstream literature.

"We have to get past these bluffs from the evolution lobby or scientific research will just be shut down."

Michael Behe, the Lehigh University biology professor who is a proponent of intelligent design, said the Texas standards simply ask students not to treat evolution as an "icon that cannot be questioned."

"You need at least another view -- if not intelligent design, it's got to be something -- so students get a balanced view," Behe said.

Both rejected critics' suggestions that the new standards are an attempt to confuse students about evolution so they might be more susceptible to creationism arguments made outside the classroom.

"As long as you're teaching science accurately -- which is all I'm asking for here -- why shouldn't children be able to think for themselves," Luskin said, "and reach their own conclusions?"

Right now, all sides are waiting to see how the teachers put the new standards into practice, next fall, and how communities will react.

If Dover was a fight about biology class, the Texas standards -- which require students to analyze "views on the existence of global warming," the age of the universe and the Big Bang theory -- could set the stage for battles across scientific disciplines.

"One of my first concerns when this happened in Dover was what class will be next," Kitzmiller said. "That's what the people in Texas really need to be aware of."

Eric Rothschild, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers in the Dover trial, said if teachers adhere to the language and teach only science, they won't be drawn into arguments about irreducible complexity or gaps in the fossil record.

Should teachers begin teaching creationism, both Kitzmiller and Stough said they hoped some group of parents would make the hard decision to stand up to the state board.

The groundwork for a legal challenge would likely look different, said Rothschild, who could only speak in general since the full text of the Texas standards have not been published.

In Dover, he said, teachers were ordered to read a statement about a concept, and the plaintiffs challenged that concept. In Texas, he said, the board appears to open the door for creationist ideas, but leaves it up to individual teachers to insert religion into the classroom.

The plaintiffs in Dover also had something else on their side.

"There was actually a tangible concept as opposed to more generic ways of diluting how science is taught," Rothschild said. "Having a name helped, because names have meanings."

Still, he said, if schools in Texas attempt to teach some form of creationism, there will be a way to challenge it successfully.

Angie Yingling was a school board member in Dover who voted in favor of intelligent design before changing her mind, voting against it and then resigning.

When told of the new Texas standards, she had words of caution for the state board based on what happened in Dover.

"Look at the outcome," Yingling said. "Look at what happened. A whole bunch of taxpayer money spent and (they) lost."

For the last decade, Texas science standards have required students to analyze the "strengths and weaknesses" of evolution. On March 27, the state's Board of Education approved new standards that will govern science education.

The board replaced the "strengths and weaknesses" rule with an amendment stating: students must "analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations in all fields of science by using empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and experimental and observational testing, including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the student."

Other added standards included:

--- "The student is expected to analyze and evaluate scientific explanations concerning any data of sudden appearance, stasis, and the sequential nature of groups in the fossil record."

--- "Analyze and evaluate the evidence concerning the complexity of the cell."

--- "Analyze and evaluate the evidence regarding formation of simple organic molecules and their organization into long complex molecules having information such as the DNA molecule for self-replicating life."

--- Study "how Earth-based and space-based astronomical observations reveal differing theories about the structure, scale, composition, origin and history of the universe."

--- "Analyze and evaluate different views on the existence of global warming."

Intelligent design asserts that living things exhibit such complex systems that they must have been engineered by an intelligent agent.

The new Texas science standards call for students to "analyze and evaluate scientific explanations concerning any data of sudden appearance, stasis and the sequential nature of groups in the fossil record."

Plaintiffs in the Dover intelligent design trial, their expert witnesses and teachers in Texas noted that "sudden appearance" is an argument frequently made by intelligent design proponents.

During the trial, the plaintiffs showed manuscripts of two editions of the book, "Of People and Pandas," and a manuscript of a then unpublished book, "The Design of Life."

The first edition included the phrase: "Creation means that various forms of life began abruptly through the agency of an intelligent creator, with their distinctive features already intact -- fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc."

The second, published after a 1987 U.S. Supreme Court decision that forbade the teaching of creationism in public schools, included: "Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact -- fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks and wings, etc."

The third, from "The Design of Life" included: "Sudden appearance means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact -- fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, and mammals with fur and mammary glands, etc."

After unveiling the evidence, Eric Rothschild, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers asked, "Will we be back in a couple of years for the 'sudden appearance' trial?"

The presiding judge, John E. Jones III, replied, "Not on my docket!"
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 08:28 am
Casey Luskin (Discovery Institute) in the above article said:
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"As long as you're teaching science accurately -- which is all I'm asking for here -- why shouldn't children be able to think for themselves," Luskin said, "and reach their own conclusions?"


Would a high school drivers education teacher tell his students to reach their own conclusions and think for themselves in operating a car safely?
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 10:18 am
@wandeljw,
The idea is to teach the fledgling driver to think for themselves based on the rules of the road and safe driving -- nobody but back seat drivers are going to be in the car with them to help and anybody knows you can rarely rely on their direction if you are the best educated driver. The back seat driver in the Texas science education plan is the IDiot with their attempted stealthy (or subliminal) instruction to turn towards the far right instead of going straight ahead to the designated destination, an accurate and comprehensive science education. One goes to school to primarily learn how to teach themselves. If they are religious, let them decide if science is right about the origin of the Universe and of man on Earth or the Old Testament Judaism (that's what it is) is right and a benevolent, bearded father figure waved his Tinkerbell wand and poofed all of it into existence about six-thousand years ago, intact and ready to go. The IDiots are merely slightly fudging the rules of Creationism based on Genesis and selling a bogus product made up of the flotsam and jetsam of the exploded myth. The IDiots are the bad back seat drivers who wish to ignore the rules of the road.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 10:28 am
@Lightwizard,
But they can't help themselves, because if they admit the unthinkable, their whole belief system goes down the toilet. That's a scary outcome for them.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 11:00 am
@wandeljw,
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Would a high school drivers education teacher tell his students to reach their own conclusions and think for themselves in operating a car safely?


Which side are you on wande? The whole point of science is that there is nothing to think about. Is there anybody who thinks about the readings off an accurate instrument.

The very presence in the world of a multitude of heresies of all shapes and sizes, including the anti-ID heresy, is proof that a religious sensibility is the only resource of thinking. The scientific method is the one route to not thinking at all. It simply accepts every observed and recorded fact as a determined given.

And it is hopelessly inadequate in the face of the recorded observations on the state of human nature as even a casual glance into a lingerie shop window satisfactorily demonstrates to everyone who isn't blinded by his own smug complacency or who has it on Ignore.

Driving instruction as a metaphor for life says it all for the poverty of the anti-IDer's imagination. Stop when the red light shows. Do not engage first gear until the green light comes on. Wear earplugs to drown out the horns of motorists waiting behind.

What a silly sod you are wande. As are all who approve of your fatuous pedanticism.

What do US road accident statistics show?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 11:03 am
@Lightwizard,
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straight ahead to the designated destination


On the tram lines of unthinking certitute with LW and his fellow nitwits on the toll gates. Do we need blinkers?
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