@farmerman,
Quote:If the evidence supports a crafty esigner. how com he was so numbskulled to waste the first several BILLION years on luxuriating in single celled organisms when we in the lab can go from archaea to multi-celled, organized life in a weekend. ?
They do it in a weekend and use ther intelligence to overide the built in time parameters in the system.
(God does that sometimes also, see "miracles"). Plus, scientists did not have to design the underlying quantum mechanical and bio chemistry systems. The earth and the life in it is a living system made up of many smaller living self replicating systems. If, you are an intelligence building that system from the ground up you, must add onto that system as it progresses so, your intelligence can guide the system you established (In the same way I am guiding my computer to create this post. You have no evidence of me doing it other than it exists on your computer.) The system appears to build itself as it adds complexity by adding additional embedded algorithms over as much time as it takes. It over billions of years because, the underlying quantum mechanical system and the living system is constrained by the physical laws of the operating system (qm) it is operating in. "Time and the speed of light being the two main constraints."
From your an evolutionary view you seem to contradict yourself with the two quotes that are following these two points:
First, we know how hard it is for life to start over and recreate complexity and yet it happened many times and followed the same pattern every time even though it was driven by random generation of new information.
Second, the pattern suggests that there is intelligence involved in the programming and construction of the equipment since, it keeps running the same pattern over and over as it reconstructions itself.
Quote:The first 4/5 of the eqrth time was devoted to the simplst of life and the following 25% of biological tim was devoted to the appearance and disappearance of totally irrelvant lifeforms, including those we celebrate in movies an literature.
Quote:Nil deGrqsse Tyson (another of your "cosmetologists" ) made an excellent scientifically derived presentation. . .( ALL the findings and contributions in evolution certainly do not parallel ID assertions as you folks are fond to assert). The IDers seem to look at one successive factoid at a time, yet the goings on in life occurs as multivariate occurences that often, in the height of their development , are wiped out via some environmental hammer blow
I think (using naturalism along with, naive realism and objective idealism) the evidence logically suggests the ontology of the universe is that," it was created for man to live and learn in with God".
So, what better way to learn than starting over a few times? Do you think God was always pleased with Abel and Cain's offerings to the Him?(Cain was angry because God favored Adam's offering.) Sometimes God said let's start over you guys are getting so off course the system needs to be reset. (The introduction of death, and the flood event.) That is how those events appear in the fossil record in one ID version of evolution.
Quote:You seem to make believe that an IDer meanders all over the map of existence like some incompetent mechanic.
"Meander"? Yes. "Incompetent"? At times yes. "Without intelligence"? No or, we wouldn't be here discussing the apparent intelligence combined with incompetence.
So, for arguments sake so I can fully develop my argument as completely as I can to fit the data, do we agree that if intelligence was involved it was not always competent and this incompetence caused a do over multiple times in the past.
Quote:You havent presented anything that can be considered actual evidence about support for IDism other than assertions that you claim as fact and I say are just fairy tales.
Which can be said for both of our versions of evolution.
So, let's continue with what we agree on.
Evolution happened.
Evolution is still happening.
It requires multiple complex systems that contain a lot of information. There is a lot of historical and and physical evidence describing how the system operated and is operating.
And discuss how the information came into existence and entered the system. Because, that is the latest challenge to your naturalistic version of evolution. Random vs Intelligence.
Quote:where do you get that assertion so that you seem to believe it over all the scientific data that counters your assertions in ways that are supported from ALL other scientific disciplines?? Lets consier something like the Morrison Formation or the Flinders range fossils and how "gaps" can occur within these formations that are half a world apart rom ach other
Explain how there location has anything to do with the system that evolution is operating in besides, revealing how vast and consistent over time and space the system of Natural Evolution is thus, implying consistency and purpose which, are characteristics of intelligent arrangement of new information into matter rather than random arrangement of new information because:
Random introduction of information over long periods of time over great areas of space always, leads to inconsistencies in a system that is evolving. (Unless, the system is precisely designed to evolve within tight tolerances for the introduction of new information and how it is used. And, precisely designed tolerances is always considered as logical evidence of ontological arrangement of information by intelligence for a purpose.) See "anthropology" for further scientific evidence of other forms of similar ancient intelligence following the same pattern as God.
Let's involve a six pack of Samuel Adams since it's the weekend. 
