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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 01:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No. Honesty is the best policy.


Then why is being pro-abortion called pro-choice? Why is homosexual activity called gay? Why does the bride's father give away his daughters hand?

Do you want to call a spade a spade all the time ci.? I bet there's load of people you have talked to who thought to themselves "Lawdy lawdy what a prick" and talked to you as if you were and interesting and thoughtful chap.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 02:02 pm
@spendius,
You're confusing semantics with honesty.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 02:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Right -- to start with, gay has become a noun meaning homosexual, not an activity. Getting those pictures in your head again, Spendi?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 02:18 pm
John Timmer wrote an excellent analysis of the Louisiana act a day after Governor Jindal signed it into law:
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Louisiana passes first antievolution "academic freedom" law
(John Timmer, Ars Technica, June 27, 2008)

As we noted last month, a number of states have been considering laws that, under the guise of "academic freedom," single out evolution for special criticism. Most of them haven't made it out of the state legislatures, and one that did was promptly vetoed. But the last of these bills under consideration, the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), was enacted by the signature of Governor Bobby Jindal yesterday. The bill would allow local school boards to approve supplemental classroom materials specifically for the critique of scientific theories, allowing poorly-informed board members to stick their communities with Dover-sized legal fees.

The text of the LSEA suggests that it's intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to "assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories." Unfortunately, it's remarkably selective in its suggestion of topics that need critical thinking, as it cites scientific subjects "including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."

Oddly, the last item on the list is not the subject of any scientific theory; the remainder are notable for being topics that are the focus of frequent political controversies rather than scientific ones.

The bill has been opposed by every scientific society that has voiced a position on it, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AAAS CEO Alan Leshner warned that the bill would "unleash an assault against scientific integrity, leaving students confused about science and unprepared to excel in a modern workforce."

Jindal, who was a biology major during his time at Brown University, even received a veto plea from his former genetics professor. "Without evolution, modern biology, including medicine and biotechnology, wouldn't make sense," Professor Arthur Landy wrote. "I hope he [Jindal] doesn't do anything that would hold back the next generation of Louisiana's doctors."

Lining up to promote the bill were a coalition of religious organizations and Seattle's pro-Intelligent Design think tank, the Discovery Institute. According to the Louisiana Science Coalition, Discovery fellows helped write the bill and arranged for testimony in its favor in the legislature. The bill itself plays directly into Discovery's strategy, freeing local schools to "use supplemental textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner."

Discovery, conveniently, has made just such a supplemental text available. As we noted in our earlier analysis, Discovery hopes to use these bills as a way to push its own textbook into the classroom. Having now read the text of the book, it is clear that our earlier analysis was correct; the book badly misrepresents the scientific community's understanding of evolution in order to suggest that the basics of the theory are questioned by biologists. In doing so, it ignores many of the specific questions about evolution that are actively debated by scientists.

Courts in Pennsylvania and Georgia have both ruled that laws which single out evolution serve no secular purpose and are evidence of unconstitutional religious motivations. Those precedents, however, do not apply to Louisiana, and it's possible that the LSEA will either be ruled constitutional or remain in force for years before a court rejects it. That will leave the use of supplemental scientific material to be determined by local school boards in the intervening years and, if boards in Florida are viewed as evidence, they are likely to be spectacularly incapable of judging scientific issues.

As such, most observers are expecting the passage of the LSEA by the state to unleash a series of Dover-style cases, as various local boards attempt to discover the edges of what's constitutionally allowable. The AAAS' Leshner suggested that the bill's passage would "provoke an expensive, divisive legal fight." In vetoing similar legislation in Oklahoma, Governor Brad Henry suggested it would end up "subjecting them [school officials] to an explosion of costly and protracted litigation that would have to be defended at taxpayers' expense." In essence, Jindal is inviting local school boards to partake in that explosion without committing the state to paying the inevitable costs.

In the meantime, the students of the state will be subjected to an "anything goes" approach to science"if it looks scientific to a school board, it can appear in the classroom.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 02:23 pm
@wandeljw,
They "won" their academic freedom law, but where do they go from there? After the first question about ID, what kind of answers are there? Poor kids in LA will be unable to pass biology exams in any other state if they intend to use ID as their answer on any question.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 02:23 pm
@spendius,
Not even quite as frail and flawed as the politician legislators we almost blindly elect who enact laws in an attempt to get re-elected.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 03:46 pm
@Lightwizard,
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Right -- to start with, gay has become a noun meaning homosexual, not an activity. Getting those pictures in your head again, Spendi?


Not at all. One might say someone had engaged in gay activity. That someone is a gay person.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 03:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You're confusing semantics with honesty.


That's what they all say when they get confused.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 03:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Pretty much what Frank Apisa was getting at.


Yes, but Frank was engaged in trying to prove himself right. He has an emotional involvement in that.

It would be a mistake to think I have any such immature considerations in mind.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 03:59 pm
@farmerman,
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As far as my post, its been the only post for about the last 6 pages that has been on topic.


Hardly. It was a mere propaganda spiel in the service of a grandioise claim that science is the final arbiter of policy and taste and that the unofficial and unelected bodies and persons mentioned in it should be the ones into whose hands such arbitration should devolved into.

I'm not inclined to think that is on topic at all. We already know what those bodies think and them telling us again is back to the chap with the big feet. A sort of "we are scientists and therefore we should run the show".

Basically effemm, repetitive drivel which I very much doubt took and readers of Sc.Am. by surprise.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:27 pm
@spendius,
You try to weasel out of everything, don't you. What is dishonest about your "gay activity," as you put it? There's no semantics involved here, just a blatant error in definitions you seem to indulge in frequently. You were referring to the word as originally meaning happily excited or merry and the dishonest use of the word meaning, actually, homosexual men (it was never used for homosexual women). Your dishonesty in these pages is ruefully apparent and you just keep digging a bigger hole. Pretty soon, we won't be able to see any light.

Actually, trolls are blinded by the light.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:32 pm
@Lightwizard,
Sometimes your replies make me doubt you realize I am a rock solid atheist, wiz.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:39 pm
@spendius,
spendi wrote:
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Then why is being pro-abortion called pro-choice


It leaves the decision up to the woman and her doctor; not some government intrusion into private lives.

spendi wrote:
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Why is homosexual activity called gay?


You are mixing a noun with an adjective; you flunk English grammar from your gross ignorance.


spendi wrote:
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Why does the bride's father give away his daughters hand?


It was standard social practice in some societies, although not so common today.

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Should you ask your girlfriend's parents for her hand in marriage?
Generally it is a nice gesture, assuming your sweetheart is close with her parents and that they are relatively traditional. If they are non-traditional, or you are worried they (or she) might see it as a sexist gesture, simply be careful about the way you phrase it. Rather than asking for their permission, ask for their blessing. Situations where you shouldn't ask include if she is estranged from her parents, if she is an older bride, or if you think her parents will spoil the surprise of your proposal.

Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
Does that mean you are actually a statue?

I am only stating that those who believe in intelligent design are not able to concoct just what description they can give this intelligence or designing based on anything but an entirely abstract ideal. While an abstract ideal may exist of where, how, why and when the Universe was created, it's false logic to state that it does exist.

BTW atheist is more semantically loaded than gay! Wink
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He's only able to answer honesty with dishonesty.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:53 pm
@wandeljw,
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The bill would allow local school boards to approve supplemental classroom materials specifically for the critique of scientific theories, allowing poorly-informed board members to stick their communities with Dover-sized legal fees.
The first school board that enters "Pandas and People" as a supplemental resource and /or "Flood Geology" will have another USSC on ots hands and the whole purpose of the law as stealth legislation will be lost.

Im hoping that a number of sachool teachers have the testones to "question the weaknesses" of ID and Creationism. I dont think that the La legislature had in mind anything that would counter their sweet path.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:57 pm
Was not the Dover case initiated by a parent? It wouldn't even have to be a teacher to take it to the courts. Unfortunately, without regard to who brings the case, it will have to be brought against a school board, which means precious funds which should be spent on education will be spent defending an indefensible piece of pandering legislation.
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 05:10 pm
@Setanta,
You won't answer this, Setanta, because you are a coward, but you don't know **** about "precious funds which should be spent on education". That is the mantra of anyone who does not want to give people their right to go to court.

Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 05:27 pm
@Setanta,
Did you really mean pandaring (sic) legislation?



farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 05:29 pm
@Setanta,
The Dover case was so titled based upon a single parent(Tammy Kitzmiller) who wasnt a teacher. Several teacher /parents were additonal plaintiffs.
Remember, the first action that was opposed was the presentation of the "Disclaimer" thatwas required by the school board. The science teachers went out on a professional limb and opposed presenting the disclaimer at the peril of their positions.

We will see in Louisiana whether it will be a case focused upon teachers being harrassed into teaching the "shortcomings of evolution" or whether, when a teacher does so, whether some parents take offense.
I still say that, if a teacher would begin also teaching about the total lack of any evidence in ID or Creationism, that teacher would have a case wherein the state was n"not protecting them re: academic freedom to conduct classes in critical thinking". I say that The La law is so loaded with its own destruction that someone has gotta be thinking up ways to kill the mockingbird.
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