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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 10:26 am
@spendius,
Evolution is already being taught in schools; it's no longer how. The why's are obvious to those who study the many fields of science, because that's part and parcel of teaching the course.

You're pretty ignorant for someone who claims to be well read.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Evolution is already being taught in schools


Three of the words in that partake of the abstracted netherworld of the noddle I mentioned. Stereotyped to fit like a decent suit.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 02:39 pm
@spendius,
I do have to give you credit for watching and replying because no one else has shown {Yet} that they care about mental evolution!

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What solution did that idiot offer?
You started your reply with emotions from the beginning, Putting him down in order to lift your self up!
Idiot shows nothing more than how you feel when someone does not agree with you, or am I wrong?

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The coal is no use to anybody until science comes along. Our science. The Christian version.


Ok, Do I understand you correctly? Science is not universal[?
Do not all scientist around the world see science the same or is there a Islamic science a Canadian science a Christian science and an atheist science?
What about the scientific method, surely you use it when you teach Christianity?

Are you really being intellectually honest with yourself? Really?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:12 pm
So far we have the complex cell. However, that was a bit later than the living state and (wait for it)

PHOTOSYNTHESIS. Photosynthesis has been detected in the rocks of the ISua Fm in Greenland and in Newfoundland. When they look at rocks that show indications of oxidation, that means that something was going on to generate free oxygen. This pushes the theory of when free oxygen became available to several billion years earlier.
HOWEVER, it appareas that, with solar flares, bolides, rampant ice sheets and other cataclysms, perhasps life and photosynthesis needed to be kick started several times.



THEREFore, some patterning means of data storage and information transmission is needed to "get it right the second or third time". Was DNA or some other ribonucleic acid responsible for this?.


SO, some big ideas include

Complex cell

Photosynthesis

DNA
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:16 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Are you really being intellectually honest with yourself? Really?


I don't understand that sort of talk. I've told you about it but it makes no difference.

I've never said anything like that to anybody in my life. I have as much right to not answer it as you have not answering about beating your wife.

When you can write a post without that sort of shite in it I will respond but not otherwise.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:23 pm
@farmerman,
POOF!! is easiest fm.

You can get on with more important things with that. It's a bit late in life to still be looking for the big idea. If you haven't found it by this stage the chances of ever doing are pretty slim short of snorting a teaspoon of Amazonian kinnikinnick and going into a trance for a week.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:39 pm
@spendius,
Well, I cant really expect anything from the lower "counties" of the UK, youre all inbred.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 04:52 pm
@farmerman,
Actually I come fom the uper cunties of the UK and we are a lopyglot lot trut to tell, beng, as we are, like the Oracle at Del#phi, at the interection of both snatchonational and inters[natchtional trade routes and having some good pubs.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 05:27 pm
@spendius,
I see. Are you more like the Darwins and Wedgewoods?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 05:42 pm
@spendius,
Sorry about that Spendius I use the words by them selves often but not so often together.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 09:09 am
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Dogmas deny evolution, hinder scientific progress
(By: Natalie Casanova, Brookhaven College Courier, 4/25/11)

One of the most absurd controversies today is the teaching of evolution. It is true evolution is a theory, but it is illogical to deny something with great merit backed by overwhelming evidence. Gravity - also a theory - is widely accepted as fact, after much systematic research and time.

A typical misconception about evolution is that we evolved from monkeys. Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, on richarddawkins.net, states chimpanzees and bonobos are related to humans through a common ancestor. It is more accurate to view humans as cousins of apes in the Homo genus, not descendants.

Those who oppose evolution either deny or are ignorant of critical evidence like human vestigiality. The appendix, wisdom teeth, tailbone and ear muscles are all vestigial structures. They once served a purpose, but now either have less significant or functionless roles, face agenesis (failure to develop during the embryonic stages of life) and are ultimately phased out of existence.

In the documentary "Inside Nature's Giants: The Giraffe," Dawkins explains how the recurrent laryngeal nerve in mammals is valid evidence for evolution. The nerve connects the brain and larynx, and controls sound production, breathing and swallowing. The nerve should only have to travel a few inches from point A to B. Instead, it starts at the brain, spans the length of the throat, loops through blood vessels near the heart and travels up the neck into the larynx.

Dawkins said this was the most direct route in mammals' earlier, fish-like ancestors. The nerve lengthened over millions of years with the elongation of mammalian necks, making small changes versus path-altering ones.

In 2006, researchers at the University of Chicago discovered 700 regions in the human genome that suggest DNA adapted to various environmental changes in different regions over time. An example is the manifold development of skin pigmentation in indigenous people across the world.

Researchers at New York University's School of Medicine recently identified a shocking variation in a gene found in Atlantic tomcod of the Hudson River. The river has high levels of toxic Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). Some of these fish developed a resistance to the harmful pollutant by rapid evolutionary change, which is necessary to continue living in that environment.

After nearly being eradicated, tuberculosis is back on the rise. According to the textbook "Biology: Science for Life," Mycobacterium tuberculosis fits Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection because it mutates to become more antibiotic-resistant. The newest variations of the bacteria contain drug-resistant traits in their DNA and are more likely to survive treatment - survival is not random. The common cold mutates in a similar way.

I respect all religious beliefs, but I think people should keep their dogmas to themselves, especially when they discourage freethinking and scientific advancement. Many faiths accept evolution because it has been proven as scientific fact. Other beliefs, such as Creationism, do not, and instead are actively counterproductive to scientific innovation.

Some groups advocate against evolution and push for public schools to "Teach the Controversy." If public school began to teach intelligent design, it would be a direct violation of separation of church and state.

Think of how silly it would be to teach young, impressionable students the Earth is flat and is the center of the universe? Some faiths believe schools should teach Earth is only 6,000-10,000 years old, when according to the Smithsonian Institution, there are multicellular eukaryote fossils dating back 2.1 billion years.

We don't introduce the Greek gods of Olympus as historical fact in public institutions, we teach them and other religions as theology - the study of gods and religion in general. If we let faith overflow into public education, it would discredit all the scientific progress we have made. Does anyone remember what happened during the Dark Ages?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 12:51 pm
@wandeljw,
Any essay which begins--

Quote:
One of the most absurd controversies today is the teaching of evolution.


is self-evidently not worth further perusal. It displays an ignorance which beggars belief in one who has the temerity to commit her thoughts to verbal expression with the obvious intention of influencing innocent minds.

Why would anyone seek to continue to read what can only be a justification of such a crass absurdity?
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 01:47 pm
@spendius,
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Why would anyone seek to continue to read what can only be a justification of such a crass absurdity?


Nothing like an open mind spendi. If we all were to make decisions to terminate any possibility of learning after encountering the first sentence, wed only have a world full of smug-assed priests.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 03:30 pm
@farmerman,
My reading time is precious fm. I dismissed the de Vinci Code after about 8 lines. My experience has taught me that if something starts out garbage it will be garbage all the way through.

It is my view that this debate has the capacity to create tensions which are not easily relaxed. It is not in the slightest absurd. You might need to know the relationship between structuralism, our previous state, and culturalism: which is the end state of what you are wishing for.

Arthur Koestler likened those who are frightened of the end state of their expressed opinions to the seducer who bottles out at the bedroom door.

What came later that you thought worthy of my attention?

You'll never get an open mind if you spend your time on stuff like that.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 03:56 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I dismissed the de Vinci Code after about 8 lines.


I would have dismissed it based on the title alone. Misspelling Da Vinci is a bad sign.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 04:26 pm
@spendius,
Usually when you have no idea of what you are talking about you turn everything into an adverb. Now youve taken a departure to identify proper nouns.

You old fraud
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 05:11 pm
@wandeljw,
Bloody hell wande--what sparked you into life? That you knew it was Da and I didn't. Why would I bother about whether garbage was Da or de or du or di or do?

Odd how you pop out on important occasions don't you think? And I was beginning to think you had me on Ignore, which I recommend btw.

Natalie did say that you were absurd for starting these threads you know. I agree actually but for a different reason than she would have. Science shooting itself in the foot just because a few woosie TV docutainment videos had tripped its minions over the edge is a bit silly.

You would never have seen a medieval "clerk" trying to teach Latin for the masses.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 05:25 pm
@spendius,
Sorry--link malfunction.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 03:06 am
@spendius,
Where's ci.? He advised us all to sell gold short at $1.495 and its $1.532 already.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:11 am
@spendius,
spendi, You fail at one major investment strategy; buy low and sell high. The greedy will not gain much of anything, if they gain at all.

A. There isn't enough liquid cash to buy all the gold in the US.
B. There's a cost to buy and sell gold as an investment called commissions, fees, and taxes.
C. There are income taxes that apply to gold investments.
D. If stock market investments is an indicator for gold speculation, most will buy high and sell low.

 

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