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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 05:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
what are you talking about? e-etiquette
RULE 1-Broadshots between two people are the exclusiove property of those two. (If spendi wants you to carry some water, thats his choice, I do my own firing)
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 02:50 am
@reasoning logic,
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Emotional Spendius?


Not in the least. It's the standard reply here in England when somebody tries the technique you did with--

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Is this the advice that you told your wife to share with your daughter?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 02:51 am
@reasoning logic,
I forget who it was but somebody in the 18th century remarked that logic was a method of getting your own way.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 08:14 am
TENNESSEE UPDATE
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'Critical Thinking' Bill (or 'Creationism Bill', if you prefer) Sidelined Until Next Year?
(Tom Humphrey, Knoxville News-Sentinel, April 20, 2011)

A controversial, House-passed bill to protect teachers who promote discussion of alternatives to prevailing scientific theories was quietly sidelined in the Senate Wednesday - almost certainly postponing any action until next year.

The measure has been attacked by critics as a backdoor means of teaching creationism in schools as an alternative to evolution.

Sen. Bo Watson, R-Hixson, told the Senate Education Committee he was putting HB368 into "general sub," which means he is not pushing it forward to a vote. The move came on the last scheduled meeting of the committee for this year.

"Practically speaking, I probably am not going to be able to run the bill this year," he said.

Watson said he believes the measure is "a good bill" and should be approved "in concept" but has listened to concerns of UT-Chattanooga faculty and others who have proposed possible amendments.

"I want to listen some more," he said.

The bill passed the House 70-23 on April 7 under sponsorship of Rep. Bill Dunn, R-Knoxville, who says it is intended to promote "critical thinking" in science classes. All no votes came from Democrats.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 12:39 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

TENNESSEE UPDATE
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'Critical Thinking' Bill (or 'Creationism Bill', if you prefer) Sidelined Until Next Year?
(Tom Humphrey, Knoxville News-Sentinel, April 20, 2011)

The bill passed the House 70-23 on April 7 under sponsorship of Rep. Bill Dunn, R-Knoxville, who says it is intended to promote "critical thinking" in science classes. All no votes came from Democrats.


Most voters don't even know what "critical thinking" is, and the people who push these bills want us to think that voters are worried about getting critical thinking into science class... give me a break.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 01:30 pm
@rosborne979,
Actually, if they really want critical thinking, it'll sink their thesis on creationism without them being told about facts and faction.

They just shot themselves in the foot.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 02:29 pm
@wandeljw,
The Knoxville News-Sentinel is owned by the E.W. Scripps Company which also owns a lot of other newspapers and TV stations and is based in Ohio.

Most astute commentators think that the gobbling up of the large number of locally owned news outlets etc by giant corporations is the greatest threat freedom is faced with.

And it is quite obvious that centres of force gradually eroding freedom, I can sometimes feel them pulsing when looking at them with a modicum of critical thinking, will take the line on this issue that the Scripps mouthpiece takes, as other large media corporations do as well, as we have seen, which leads any ordinary critical thinker to the tentative suspicion that attacks on religious institutions are eroding freedom.

Freedom is so important that a tentative suspicion is enough to find out on which side of the line to set up one's deckchair and have a snooze in the sun.

I would never have thought such an awful thing myself because I am rather innocent and, unfortunately, easily led, but wande rubbed my nose in it. Time after time I got Wikipee to examine, at first scratch, the sources wande quotes which are posing as if James Stewart was sitting on the front porch in a green eyeshade composing his daily or weekly address to the mugs. And they are not. They are run by men, and women, of the type William H. Whyte described in great detail. Like some other institutions.

It doesn't take a lot of nonce to be able to spot an organisation man, or woman, in a geology department or a (gulp) prestigious university philosophy department. Oms are like worms. I know some oms who actually think of themselves as right wing.

The sociological theory, and sociology is a science, that concentration of media into fewer and fewer hands is a dire threat to freedom, can, like any theory be used to produce conclusions. Speculative as they may be. It is up to the reader to make what s/he can of speculations.

One seems obvious to me--OM. Big Media. Pro evolution = Threat to Freedom. Not Pro-Science because most oms don't know what science is as is painfully obvious from the shite they put out.

Did you really think that you were picking this fight with people who thought Jesus walked on water? Thinking things like that is typical om thoughtwaves. It's like a fingerprint. Or psychic DNA of the maternal coddling strain. Veblen said that he learned all his economics walking alongside his dad when he was ploughing. So Veblen's off limits for oms. A female om I knew tore one of my copies of The Theory of the Leisure Class to shreds and threw it into the back window of her husband's car for him to return to me. After only 6 pages too. I was proud of her. She understood it fast. Thornstein was blackballed by the Higher Learning which turned out a bit counterproductive.

It's a fair enough challenge to the teaching of evolution to question who wants to teach it and are organised to promote the objective. And it's a complex matter.

The real question now is whether freedom is mal-adaptive because if it is oms are in the right. But I think that possibility is due to us no longer being able to make freedom adaptive. Due to overpopulation which is the cause of omming. Look how attracted most people are, at some visceral level, to a view which contains no sight nor sign of one's fellow man.

Which gets interesting but the maid is running my bath and I gotta scoot cos she shouts at me if I'm late.

I was mentioning sitting ducks on these threads years ago. Oms need sitting ducks. On the top step. Startled partridges are too fast for them.

A one-way megaphone over the nation with no answering back is the om's dream. Bilko took a scythe to them.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 02:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
SAOmebdy got spendi all fired up today. Gonna take a few more pints of suds to shut him up this this evening.

Good news all around today. Stock market is reacting to earnings, tennessee rejoins the planet, and I can sleep in tomorrow.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 02:45 pm
@farmerman,
Better watch them three in a row good news; Asians believe it's followed by three...
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 03:28 pm
@farmerman,
And gold, that barometer of trepidation, has gone through the "psychological" $1500 barrier.

Not that I believe in round number superstitions like psychological barriers in stock market charts. The only interesting thing to me about the millienium was seeing the round number superstition on display. Imagine dividing up time into sections. People who celebrate birfdays are obviously not much good at anything else.

Time flies and the rest is lies. 7 words and that's the sort of news I like. The pump don't work cos the vandals took the handles.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 05:01 pm
@farmerman,
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and I can sleep in tomorrow.


That's typical Om-speak. Like having a late snuggle in the fester-pit is a big deal. It's a big deal to me when I don't. Which I take care to see is not a regular occurence. I've seen some "up with the lark" posts from fm.

When oms have lie-ins they are thinking all the time how cool it is to be having a lie-in. Like when a traffic warden lets somebody off so that he can feel he is not entirely the asshole everybody imagines him to be.

The simple fact that fm draws attention to his lie-in on Good Friday tells you all you need to know about the rationality and logicality of his state of mind. He probably draws attention to him having grits for breakfast to convince himself he is eating healthily.

Lie in for freedom is my motto. You can't get more harmless.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 07:39 pm
@spendius,
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has gone through the "psychological" $1500 barrier.
gold has had so many "psychological barriers" in the past that I get tired of seeing the next one. I suppose the next one will be 2000 and oz. Meanwhile silver has gone to 45 bucks an oz. dont use your silver spoons as cookers anymore spendi.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 07:47 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman, The US alone has over 8100 tonnes of gold. There isn't enough US currency to buy even a small portion of the so-called value of all that gold.

People's greed has vacated any thinking by their brains. If gold has a run, the value will drop to what the market will bear; probably like the Hunt brothers who speculated on silver a few decades back.

Greed always burns, and there's no cure.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 08:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The US alone has over 8100 tonnes of gold.
Remember that Bruce WIllis movie where some terrorists try to steal all the gold in the Fed REserve? They had 14 bigass 25 yard dump trucks and led us to suspend all belief in truck suspension systems?

Im afraid again that lots of silver art objects will be melted down while the market is high. My last peek at commodities (I always check on my Titanium and Tantalum futures), I noted that copper had hit 4.50 and oz and that was several days ago.
Weve had a spate pof vandalism attacks on empty homes where there is copper piping and several golf courses have had their power lines and water lines stolen.

I wonder whether this kind of theft occurs in UK?, I know it occurs in Canada cause there was an article about a copper theft in New Brunswick (CA, not NJ)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:04 pm
@farmerman,
China's increased demand for commodities will continue to lessen the supply and increase the price for copper and other building materials. Gold isn't one of them, and not at $1,500/ounce.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 12:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
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China's increased demand for commodities will continue to lessen the supply and increase the price for copper and other building materials. Gold isn't one of them, and not at $1,500/ounce.
Do you have any idea at all what drives the price of gold ?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 03:33 am
@Ionus,
We were told last night that Texas has bought $1 billion's worth of gold and is having it delivered in ingots.

There are two drivers of the price. A hedge against currencies and bonds and for ornamental ritualistic use in China and India and other growing economies.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 05:28 am
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It follows then that all " knowing" of Nature, even the exactest, is based on a religious faith. The pure mechanics that the physicist has set before himself as the end-form to which it is his task (and the purpose of all this imagination-machinery) to reduce Nature, presupposes a dogma--namely, the religious world-picture of the Gothic centuries. For it is from this world-picture that the physics peculiar to the Western intellect is derived. There is no science that is without unconscious presuppositions of this kind, over which the researcher has no control and which can be traced back to the earliest days of the awakening Culture. There is no Natural science without a precedent Religion. In this point there is no distinction between the Catholic and the Materialistic views of the world — both say the same thing in different words. Even atheistic science has religion; modern mechanics exactly reproduces the contemplativeness of Faith.
When the Ionic reaches its height in Thales or the Baroque in Bacon, and
man has come to the urban stage of his career, his self-assurance begins to look upon critical science, in contrast to the more primitive religion of the country- side, as the superior attitude towards things, and, holding as he thinks the only key to real knowledge, to explain religion itself empirically and psychologically — in other words, to "conquer" it with the rest. Now, the history of the higher Cultures shows that "science" is a transitory spectacle,^ belonging only to the autumn and winter of their life-course, and that in the cases of the Classical, the Indian, the Chinese and the Arabian thought alike a few centuries suffice for the complete exhaustion of its possibilities. Classical science faded out between the battle of Cannas and that of Actium and made way for the world-outlook of the "second religiousness." ^ And from this it is possible to foresee a date at which our Western scientific thought shall have reached the limit of its evolution.
There is no justification for assigning to this intellectual form-world the
primacy over others. Every critical science, like every myth and every religious belief, rests upon an inner certitude. Various as the creatures of this certitude may be, both in structure and in sound, they are not different in basic principle. Any reproach, therefore, levelled by Natural science at Religion is a boomerang. We are presumptuous and no less in supposing that we can ever set up "The Truth" in the place of "anthropomorphic" conceptions, for no other conceptions but these exist at all. Every idea that is possible at all is a mirror of the being of its author. The statement that "man created God in his own image," valid for every historical religion, is not less valid for every physical theory, however firm its reputed basis of fact.


The Decline of the West. Oswald Spengler. Chapter XI Nature--Knowledge. Part 2.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 05:50 am
@spendius,
The only way a principled BigWig at the NCSE can stay in his position rather than look for a better way to spend his precious time is to have Spengler on Ignore. And we all know what that means don't we.

He has to argue with him otherwise and from what I have seen of NCSE pronouncements he has no chance of that and thus the question is begged, what is he doing making the pronouncements? And how he got permission to do so?

The Little Wigs are another matter. The Faithful I mean.

What's an evolutionist doing willing an adaptation into existence? Not impatient is he? Evolution waits upon destiny. Not fads. He's more likely to will premature grey hair into existence imo.

That's an interesting idea. Is premature greying caused by impatience? Maybe the best trick is not to wait until you're 70 odd to get into your second childhood but to get stuck in in the mid 30s. Or not bothering being an adult at all.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 05:58 am
@spendius,
It is how the term "Big wig" relates back to a period in seventeenth century ENgland where it was fashionable to
1 Dress outlandishly

2 blacken ones teeth to show that one could afford sugar in such quantities that it rots ones teeth.

3 Not bathe, since Bathing was considered uncivilized (In a country where everyone stinks, noone stinks)

4 Wear blue and pink powdered Wigs made of hosehair that sometimes extended a foot high over the wearer, hence that person had, or WAS a "Big WIg"
 

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