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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2011 08:00 pm
@spendius,
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Well pan--you can keep your pen-knife, your conkers and your match-box full of dried willow bark.


Not many of you will get the reference here...but Spendius has referred to me as an ill-mannered, pimply adolescent. Sad
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2011 09:53 pm
@panzade,
I'm glad you are able to translate his mixed metaphors. Drunk Drunk Drunk
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2011 09:55 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I can not speak in empirical terms when it comes to the percentage of atheist that believe in magic and crazy things such as the tooth fairy!
Neither can I, but I am positive Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pol, and all those who believe in sex with aliens etc are not religious .

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That is why I await for others ..........to show me that I am wrong in my understanding of reality!
Who says you are wrong ?

Take what the atheists like to attack about religion....it doesn't account for a lot of science . This is rubbish . If there were an all powerful being anything is possible by definition . It is pointless to say what is and isn't possible from that point on . Now if you were to say there can not be an all powerful being, then you have made a leap of faith one way and believers have leaped the other . It is pointless to go past that point of if and argue the details .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2011 09:56 pm
@panzade,
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an ill-mannered, pimply adolescent
Have the pimples cleared up then ? Very Happy
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2011 11:32 pm
@Ionus,
Not yet. Wanna help me pop one? Shocked
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 09:18 am
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Author, professor Kenneth Miller lectures about evolution at UMass
(Michael Roberts | The Daily Collegian | April 04, 2011)

Kenneth Miller, a professor of biology at Brown University and a prominent science author, gave a lecture titled “The Evolution Wars: Why Do They Matter? Why Do They Continue?” to a crowded room in UMass’ Campus Center on Thursday. Although Miller’s lecture touched on numerous aspects of the evolution debate, his central message was that evolution and faith can coexist harmoniously and that the two are not mutually exclusive. He also said that to continue to take sides would only hamper science education in the United States.

“Science is compatible with faith, especially a kind of faith that accepts scientific reason as a divine gift,” said Miller, author of “Finding Darwin’s God: A Scientist’s Search For Common Ground Between God and Evolution.”

“I think that the best religious traditions do exactly that,” he said.

Miller used the 19th century Austrian scientist Gregor Mendel as an example of why he feels the two are not irreconcilable. Mendel was devoutly religious, but was also a brilliant scientist and is now considered a father of modern genetics, Miller said.

Furthermore, Miller thinks the intricacies and perfection of evolution are more flattering to a higher power than intentional design.

“I think it’s remarkable to think that you and I are bound into the fabric of life that pervades everywhere on this incredibly beautiful planet on which we happen to live,” he said.

Using former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum as an example, Miller said he feels those who do not believe in evolution sometimes believe the theory implies humans are “mistakes of nature” and devoid of moral compass. Miller thinks these attitudes are unfounded.

“What I’ve tried very hard to do is to take those concerns that people have about the theory of evolution as being degrading or demeaning or dehumanizing and try to say this isn’t true,” he said. “Evolutionary processes are creative…they’re driven by natural selection, which is as nonrandom a force as you can get.”

Miller does not believe intelligent design is a credible scientific theory. Rather, he holds that it is nothing more than a rather silly religiously-tinged doctrine. During the lecture, he discussed what he believed to be “weapons” of the intelligent design movement: “intentional distortion” of facts used to support the theory of evolution and “fear of the implications of evolution for people of faith.” Maneuvers like these, Miller believes, are creating a movement against science.

“I really am concerned about an anti-science tide in the United States,” he said. “There are certain people, certain political groups, who seem to feel that science is inherently left-wing. This is why the evolution wars matter – it’s Exhibit A in the portfolio of the anti-science movement in the United States.”

Because he feels science and politics are becoming increasingly intertwined, Miller said he finds himself talking about politics with his friends from the scientific community more than ever before.

“We feel that the political process has become, in some respects, so anti-scientific that we literally have to defend ourselves,” he said.

Miller said he does not believe mounting support for the intelligent design theory – which holds that the world could only have been created by an intelligent being – accounts exclusively for what he sees as America’s slippage in science education or for what he identifies as a rising anti-science sentiment in the country. He also pointed a finger at the declining quality of education.

“You don’t have to look very far to discover that American students are behind in math and science,” said Miller. “We’re really, really not doing a very good job of teaching or learning science, and it would be naïve to suspect that this resistance to science has nothing to do with poor science education in this country.”

This lack of focus on science education, according to Miller, comes in part from the scientific community’s dry reputation and lack of representation in mainstream culture. Miller believes the scientific community needs to take more vocal political action and improve its communication with the rest of society by making science more digestible for the average citizen.

“There almost is a culture within the scientific community that looks down on people who are good at popularizing science,” he said during a short question-and-answer session after the lecture.

During his lecture, Miller outlined several 20th century court cases surrounding evolution in learning environments. The rulings have given him hope for the future. Most of the court cases – including Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, in which Miller was a participant – have ruled in favor of science.

“Don’t lose faith in democracy,” he said. “The American people, given a choice, are going to pick science every time.”

In addition to writing “Finding Darwin’s God,” Miller is perhaps best known for his appearances on the satiric pundit show The Colbert Report and the high school science textbook he co-authored with Joe Levin, “Biology.”

The lecture was presented and organized by UMass’ Interdisciplinary Seminar in the Humanities and Fine Arts (ISHA).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 11:30 am
@wandeljw,
The thesis is always the same; they just word it differently in trying to equate creationism to science.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 03:05 pm
@wandeljw,
I like Miller.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 03:28 pm
@plainoldme,
Well pom--it says --"what he identifies as a rising anti-science sentiment in the country." and then he says --"don't lose faith in democracy".

That's incoherent in my book. A rising sentiment is a democratic process.

What a nonny.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 03:30 pm
@spendius,
spendi, FYI, "a rising sentiment" happens to most humans regardless of their politics.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I know ci. I have experienced it many times in all sorts of different locations and in a quite eclectic range of circumstances.

If you try too hard to be obtuse some readers might think you missed the point.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 05:51 pm
@wandeljw,
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“There are certain people, certain political groups, who seem to feel that science is inherently left-wing. This is why the evolution wars matter – it’s Exhibit A in the portfolio of the anti-science movement in the United States.”

It seems that most morning ride radio around here has become a GOP shill for any asshole theory that GNC may flot out there. This includes evolution, AIDs?HIV, global warming etc.

Im a decided lefty and dont buy anthropogenic global warming because it has some serious problems in evidence. That would make me a righty and Im not. HIV/AIDS not being associated is purely a GOP /libertarian thing, and these guys just deny evidence that has come on board since the early 2000's. AS far as evolution, like spendi and ANUS, theres this whacko contingent that tries to make it a case for some kind of breakdown in society. This too is a GOP thing where its been championed by these yahoos like Ricky Santorum and the past president, as well as Several of the 2012 GOP candidates.

Politics should just release science and get back to jobs, taxes, the economy, and waste.

Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 05:58 pm
@farmerman,
Why is it you can see Global Warming needs to be proven yet you failed miserably to prove a causative link between HIV and AIDS ? I think anyone who doesn't think HIV causes AIDS is a bit wacko, but it can not be proven . You demand proof in one and not the other . Why is that ?

Then there is your bizarre belief that science will not exist if we allow Evolution to be taught in its proper frame of reference . You only care about your imagined authority being undermined , being a self declared "scientist" like you are .

Gomer the Turd must seek help .
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:02 pm
@Ionus,
Global Warming and "greenhouse gases" have been shown by simple geological sampling to be in reverse order. CO2 and MEthane occur as a result of GW, they dont cause it. This has been seen in tree rings , ice cores, loess deposits, and varves.
The data is failry clear and more than half of the worlds geologists accept normal cyclic warming. Thats evidence ANUS. HIV and AIDS are evidenced too, youre just too damn politically invested to stop being a denier. You are perfect exemplar of what I speak.
G/night I hadnt put you on ignore yet. Thanks for reminding me dickhead.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:12 pm
@farmerman,
I set you up and you are too stupid to see it . The correct answer is that both do have to be proven . Carbon has to have a proven causative link to Global Warming . HIV has to have a proven causative link to AIDS . Neither can be proven . You pathetic little arrogant **** , even when I set you up for a victory to help your pathetic "little man" ego you dont have the brains to win .

Gomer the Turd must seek help .
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:14 pm
I want a liberal to prove he has a brain.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:22 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
I do see your point but I do have a rather odd question for you!
Are you in favor of progress or reform?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:23 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Global Warming and "greenhouse gases" have been shown by simple geological sampling to be in reverse order. CO2 and MEthane occur as a result of GW, they dont cause it.

I agree with that. But just to be annoying, I would point out that just because it's a trailing factor in normal climate cycles, doesn't mean that it couldn't also cause GW if it had the chance. In other words, just because it hasn't been a leading indicator in the past, doesn't mean it can't be a leading indicator in the future. We just haven't seen it happen that way in a natural climate cycle before, so it's never been tested (in the geologic record).

Personally, I think human activity is contributing to GW, but in the same way that pouring a bucked of water into a lake contributes to making it deeper.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:26 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
That you would have to ask such a dumb question shows how out of touch with reality you really are.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 06:26 pm
@Ionus,
You may be right and Wikipedia has it wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
 

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