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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Once again you have singularly failed to address the issue. Not that it surprises me mind you. Your scientific sense is defunct.

But that is quite normal for someone who just asserts that "the definition doesn't require science" as if your assertion proves that the definition doesn't require science and no other evidence is needed. That you're the oracle. Which I have come to realise is your fundamental position.

And the same goes for your other confection of assertions which are admittedly a reasonable conclusion if your first assertion is true. Which it isn't.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:13 pm
@spendius,
spendi, Look in your dictionary, and look for "virgin." Simple.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Scientists looking in dictionaries!!!!!! Whatever will you think up next? Science is not that simple you know.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:18 pm
@spendius,
We are not gossiping at the ladies coffee morning here you know. This is a science forum. It's a big word. I can define it scientifically. Not that I'm going to though.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:28 pm
@spendius,
Yes, even scientists look at dictionaries; how do you think they learn the definition for words?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 03:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What's he on to now. Does he deny that every science has its own published dictionary or "glossary of technical terms and phrases"?.
He aint much of a chemist as he claims. I wonder if hes ever heard of the CRC
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 04:21 pm
@farmerman,
It's an acronym for a quite a number of things fm.

It's over four decades since I last did anything chemistrying. Technically speaking. And that was in one very narrow niche the subject has a very large number of. I took up money making instead. If I could have invented a hair restorer I would still be at it. You might even be one of my punters if I had.

I have a few technical dictionaries. Only one of them defines "virgin" properly.

pom said that I was "probably a virgin" so I couldn't confirm it without knowing what she meant.

Can you clarify the matter? Nobody else seems to be able to do.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 06:03 pm
@farmerman,
YEs! Nudge, Nudge, know what I mean, wink, wink!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 06:28 pm
@plainoldme,
You daren't try defining "virgin" pom. End of story. Your blather won't hide the fact from intelligent A2Kers. You introduced the word don't forget.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 07:12 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Your blather won't hide the fact from intelligent A2Kers.


Shall we ask the intelligent members? What is hidden from you?
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 04:33 am
@plainoldme,
Nothing relating to you using a word you can't or won't define.

Do tell me what a virgin is eh? One supposes that if "he's probably a virgin" is an insult then you being "open all hours" is a compliment.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:11 am
Texas hates evolution!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2xSZGQb3w
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 07:08 am
DISCOVERY INSTITUTE GOES TO OKLAHOMA
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Oklahoma City church offers Discovery Institute’s presentation on intelligent design
(BY CARLA HINTON, The Oklahoman, March 25, 2011)

Intelligent design and evolution will be discussed at a conference today and Saturday at Crossings Community Church, 14600 N Portland.

“Darwin vs. Design,” presented by the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, will explore intelligent design, the idea that, because life-forms are so complex, their creation cannot be explained by Darwinian evolutionary theory alone but instead indicates intentional creation, presumably divine.

Dr. William Reeves, an Oklahoma City periodontist, is a member of Crossings and Oklahomans for Better Science Education. He said he has been fascinated for many years by the so-called battle between science and religion over how the world was created.

He said he and other conference coordinators expect a good turnout for today’s event. Although the conference is not free, Reeves said the $5 cost should not prohibit people from attending.

He said some people have preregistered, but registration also is being taken at the door.

Speakers are Michael J. Behe, Ph.D., a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, senior fellow of the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture and author of the book “Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution;” Casey Luskin, program officer in public policy and legal affairs at Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture; Jay W. Richards, Ph.D., the center’s research director and co-author of the book “The Privileged Planet;” and John G. West, Ph.D., the center’s associate director and author of “Darwin Day in America: How Our Politics and Culture Have Been Dehumanized in the Name of Science.”

Reeves said he became part of the efforts to bring the conference to Oklahoma because he wanted Oklahomans to learn more on the targeted topics.

“We want people to understand that religion is not an enemy of science.”

He said evolution will be discussed along with stem-cell research and global warming.

The Discovery Institute/Center for Science and Culture supports research challenging aspects of Darwinian theory, supports research developing the theory of intelligent design and encourages schools to teach scientific weaknesses and strengths of the theory of evolution.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 09:36 am
@wandeljw,
That's amazing! They want to teach the weaknesses of evolution, but fail to identify what those are. Whatever they've identified in the past has been shot down in flames, but they continue their ridiculous fight. They must love throwing money away.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 10:14 am
A lesson about creation!


http://www.youtube.com/user/CultOfDusty#p/u/33/NJ8aLzQ1vqk
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 10:45 am
@wandeljw,
It must please Mr Behe that his title has been extended to 2 1/2 lines. Taking a tip from giraffes I suppose.

It doesn't look like a challenge to teaching evolution to me wande. It looks more like a discussion, an endless one being the objective for obvious reasons, about how evolution should be taught. An acceptance of teaching evolution in other words. Hence off topic. Gratuitously posted and thus trolling.

The DI seems to me intent on losing the argument.

There are 3 obvious arguments against the teaching of evolution.

1-It introduces into schools teachers who are likely to be militant evolutionists. Politicised even.

2-Samuel Butler's argument that Darwin banished mind from the world and thus showed that planning the future, the basic Christian/Faustian project, is futile. And that there is a moral abyss in determinism.

Does Natural Selection depend on luck (Darwin) or cunning (Butler). It's a pretty subject for a series of never ending gigs at $5 a head in the boonies. The provincial tour. Or how to getaway from the wife and kids for a weekend.

Darwin would say that it is a great piece of luck to have evolved cunning. Lamarck and Butler would reply that the critter must have had cunning to turn his luck to account and keep building on it. Luck provides more than average good fortune in the absence of more than average ability. Luck can only be luck independently of cunning. They can't be synonyms.
A pure semantic dispute arises and the "last word" is all important in those.

Blimey!! Darwinianism is anti-American. It says your cunning was worthless and it was pure luck. Your number just came up. Even the appearance in the world of the Christian religion was luck and thus unavoidable and, as such, something to be accepted whether regretted or not. Arguing against it is like arguing against yesterday's horserace results. You lot have your heads up your arses goodstyle.

Butler can admit that luck plays a part but not a sufficient part as an explanation of the phenomena we observe. Organisms that have the luck to be cunning make further luck for themselves by the exercise of cunning and thus "design" is in the frame. A sort of bit-by-bit design. A solvitur ambulando design or "suck it and see" science which, when self-conscious and intelligent, replaces natural selection by functional modification. Intelligent design.

God is brought in to take the credit because if the winning design, us, the kids in the schools included, takes the credit a superior race is defined and that idea is fundamentally politically incorrect. Or to take the blame if we go tits up and the Kalahari bushman turns out to be a more perfected human being.

3- Last but not least, the forces unleashed by those who find that their personal circumstances are suited by the strengths of evolution and not the weaknesses. The strong. The lookers. Who the DI must have on Ignore to approve of them getting a chance of learning the best arguments for their case when they hear the strengths presented. They can Ignore the weaknesses as it seems to be standard practice for anti-IDers.

What do you think lads and lassies? Very pretty eh?



farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 01:27 pm
@spendius,
I think spendi can give Goldman a run for the looniest member.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:15 pm
@farmerman,
What a brilliant intellectual response!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 02:26 pm
@spendius,
Agree!
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 03:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's the sort of thing any Inquisition will say. So I understand it well enough. But it lacks the power of enforcement. And that is what anti-ID is seeking to remedy.

If it succeeds it will be law. I'll be hauled off to one of fm's rehabilitation units such as Dr Benway has in Naked Lunch.

You really are lovely people don't you know.
 

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