@farmerman,
Quote:Yes but ALL of your posts are concerned with communicating with your readers.
Yes--but ci's posts are aimed at the under fives and it is easier to communicate with them than with intelligent grown-ups as I try to do.
You lot know nothing about these matters. You haven't even become aware yet that there is a spectrum of institutional manipulation on which the modern school has only prisons and asylums nearer to one end. And the inmates of those have constitutional protections under the 1st and 5th which the kids don't have.
Any fool can communicate what ci. does. Try communicating the complexity of that spectrum sometime. Putting it on Ignore is real ignorance. But it's fairly easy to communicate the conclusion after studying it which those who have never heard of it can't or daren't do. It is that the drive of anti-IDers is total control of the kid's minds in the name of scientific materialism and to render them addicted to being controlled and loving it.
Quote:Highways result from a perversion of the desire and need for mobility into the demand for a private car. Schools themselves pervert the natural inclination to grow and learn into the demand for instruction. Demand for manufactured maturity is a far greater abnegation of self-initiated activity than the demand for manufactured goods. Schools are not only to the right of highways and cars; they belong near the extreme of the institutional spectrum occupied by total asylums. Even the producers of body counts kill only bodies. By making men abdicate the responsibility for their own growth, school leads many to a kind of spiritual suicide.
Ivan Illich. Deschooling Society. Chapter 4--Institutional Spectrum. Section--Schools as False Public Utilities.
These anti-IDers are either on the gravy train of well paid manipulative control or have some other pressing need about which I have possibly said enough. Or dupes being manipulated themselves.
And I'm not concerned which. I'm only concerned with the results if they win the argument and so should any American be. And Englishman.
And the Church is self evidently at the other end of the spectrum mainly because it is not compulsory as schooling is but also because it doesn't manipulate all that many people and even then not very much.
So it's a debate about freedom. And anti-IDers don't want you to have any so that their assertions become law. I can't understand why anybody gives them the time of day. Control freaks to a man and woman. The whole lot of them. And kids in a classroom, departments in a college and whole universities are really exciting to control. Some say sexually exciting.
