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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 06:33 pm
@farmerman,
I rest my case. Very Happy
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 06:38 pm
@farmerman,
Good. We will consider it.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 07:52 pm
@farmerman,
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" ignore" serves a valuable purpose when trying to keep a subject on track.
You mean like the nazis wanted to keep genetics on track. How does it keep a subject on track ?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 08:13 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus what do you think about this atheist, Is he also like one of those atheist that you often speak about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLIKAyzeIw4
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 08:40 pm
@Ionus,
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You mean like the nazis wanted to keep genetics on track. How does it keep a subject on track ?

Your analogoes seem not to work real well. I think its because you reach for extremes that leave most people (me included) just hanging. Your going to have to slow down and explain what the heck you were reaching for . When you invoke the conditions of Godwins law, you realize you self invalidate anything you say?

Somebody xplain Godwins law to the man. I cant see the kw bord relly well , what with the tears in my eyres.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 09:07 pm
@reasoning logic,
According to this clown, all beliefs are religious...bullshit. And he says this after telling us atheists can have beliefs too. Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin were all religious because they behaved like religious zealots......totally stupid beyond words ! It is far more likely that the religious who dont follow righteous behaviour are at heart atheistic...that the truly religious are far more tolerant than atheists will ever be because they have motive. What motive do atheists have to do the right thing ? When they die they will cease to exist. Life is short, if it feels good do it and other atheistic sayings that are so full of hedonism that two dogs ******* on a street corner would be embarrassed .

He mentions stem cell research as being stopped by religious people solely.....so atheists have no caution when it comes to science ? All the way with soylent green....

Aliens would not find our religions credible....???? Has he spoken to aliens ?

Nothing prevents an atheist from practicing meditation in a cave for a year....what about motive or not even the ridicule of atheists ?

Atheists tend to not make unjustifiable claims about the universe . Multi-verses ? We know enough about life to determine when to abort babies ? Every year all sciences are rewritten in large swathes.....no unjustifiable claims ?

If you are an atheist you are a free thinker, it is always the religious who are at fault for the troubles in the world. When they are atheists who do it, they are really religious. When they are nominally religious who do it, they are a true representation of religious people. What a lot of self serving twisted crap.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 09:20 pm
@farmerman,
Intolerance is at the heart of many evils. The nazis couldn't tolerate anyone not like themselves. Ignore is designed to practice intolerance, but not content with that, many brag about how many they have on ignore. The morals being displayed are pathetic. No doubt by ignoring people the subject stays on track....but you cant explain how, so I assume it is mystical and magical.

If you say equating levels of ignorance and intolerance is taking things to extreme, that may well be....but it was too late to remind anyone once hatred of niggers and Jews had taken hold. It was ordinary people and they were not devoid of intellectuals either who believed the bullshit but they started out simply by ignoring.

What harm can come from engaging people in conversation ? Why do some build up their own pathetic ego at the cost of others ? Why do atheists sneer at religious people as beneath them ? How does ignoring someone help to find common ground ? Or are you happy picking on others because it makes you feel superior.....a nice black uniform with swastikas would make you feel big too, wouldnt it ?

As for Godwin, he was just another turd who thinks that if you trivialise matters and people laugh the problem will never have existed. Do I need to tell you what is wrong with that ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 09:26 pm
@farmerman,
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As the population of Louisiana ratchets up a few 10 IQ points,
Why dont you say what you really mean...you and your like are superior beings....all we need do now is hand over power to you. Any particular religion you want to fire up the ovens for, or just the lot of them ? Perhaps a bit of atheistic genetical engineering and abortions would help make everyone a "scientist" so we could "ratchet up a few 10 IQ points". Dem niggers and Jew boys shaw is dum, aint dey ? Or as you believe, christians should be re-educated.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 09:40 pm
@Ionus,
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. The nazis couldn't tolerate anyone not like themselves. Ignore is designed to practice intolerance,
actually"ignore" is the antithesis of intolerance. By so avoiding confrontation and continued meaningless dialogue that doesnt advance anything of the focused topic, ignore actually avoids any semblance of intolerance. Intolerance would be the continued harping and accusing (say) me of being drunk "while posting" posting when actually someone merely disagrees with my theses.


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Why do atheists sneer at religious people as beneath them
I think that, since you claim that you are an atheist, you should try to
1determine whether the question is even valid?
or
2If you determine that it is, why not try and answer it yourself.

I think that many more deaths were ordered by the religious authorities gainst "heretics, non believers, and false believers" thqn the other way around.


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If you say equating levels of ignorance and intolerance is taking things to extreme, that may well be....but it was too late to remind anyone once hatred of niggers and Jews had taken hold. It was ordinary people and they were not devoid of intellectuals either who believed the bullshit but they started out simply by ignoring


WHEW! Are you and spendi reading from the same books of triple talk? I have no idea what you are even talking about and Im sober as a judge and wide awake playing scrabble on line with a friend.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 09:48 pm
@farmerman,
he's Spendi's new kiwi parrot.

Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 10:44 pm
@farmerman,
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By so avoiding confrontation and continued meaningless dialogue that doesnt advance anything of the focused topic, ignore actually avoids any semblance of intolerance.
So ignoring someone is nicer than talking to them....that's some spin you've got going there.

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I think that, since you claim that you are an atheist
I claim to be agnostic, but atheistic to a personal God.

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I think that many more deaths were ordered by the religious authorities gainst "heretics, non believers, and false believers" thqn the other way around.
You would be incorrect. Great injustice has been done by those claiming to be religious, but the greater damage has been done by atheists.

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I have no idea what you are even talking about
So you think nazism just magically appeared fully developed...it was created out of thin air or do you think it came about gradually, rising through various levels of intolerance....I bet the first is to ignore someone, than to talk to like minded people about how stupid the others are (atheist thread comes to mind), then someone should do something about it and before you know it you have yourself a lynching (Lynch was a true USA patriot who after the War of Independence, hung people for the crime of being British).
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 10:45 pm
@Rockhead,
Pet rocks should be seen and not heard.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 04:45 am
@farmerman,
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Intolerance would be the continued harping and accusing (say) me of being drunk "while posting"


How many times has fm accused me of being "drunk" when he merely disagrees. It became an all purpose argument of some anti-IDers.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:21 am
@Ionus,
You do have a very unusual way at looking at things and you do bring up some good points but you also seem to be painting with a broad brush in my opinion!

I was not able to see what you seen, what I had gathered from the video is that he was pointing out what ideologies or dogmatic ideas can do to people when they run a muck.

I find Sam Harris to be a brilliant neuroscientist and a philosopher.

You do seem to use logical reasoning within your frame of reference.

This is a extremely short video about "frame of reference" all 3 parts are a total of 20 minutes long. I hope people can have a open mind and see how well the hunter-gatherer used logical reasoning within his own frame of reference. I thought that he did a very good!


part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5HNXNXUzz8

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktmCjYoZkfg&feature=related

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUhLsGMmopo&feature=related
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 08:00 am
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On evolution, many youths are learning to be cowards
(By Kirsten Peters, San Angelo Standard-Times, February 19, 2011)

The public is bombarded with news reports saying that young people in the U.S. aren't learning enough about science, especially compared to youths in Asia. I'm not sure that's true, because I work at a large university in which I see able American students starting to excel in their scientific careers, and I hear from them as they flourish later.

But perhaps we really are falling behind. After all, everyone says so. How would we start to investigate that possibility?

It's tough to imagine a single science exam that we could give to youths in places as varied as China, Germany, South Korea and the U.S. Apart from the problems of translation and grading, there's no reason for the schools in those places to cooperate with such a test. So it's impossible to directly measure student achievement around the world.

Perhaps we'd better just focus on students in the U.S. and think about what their science education is like, especially in the crucial grades of high school. What are the meat and potatoes in science classes we are delivering to most of our young people?

One fairly easy way to discover what is being taught to American youths about science is to ask their teachers. Biology teachers are of special significance because many high school students take biology but no other science classes.

I'm sad to report the recently published news about what most high school biology teachers in public schools say they teach. According to an article published in the prestigious Science magazine, only 28 percent of biology teachers follow the recommendations of the National Research Council and teach the basic theory of evolution by natural selection.

As I do the arithmetic, that means an astounding 72 percent of our teachers don't teach the organizing principle at the base of modern biological science.

It's not that the National Research Council recommendations are really so difficult to achieve. The idea is just to present the evidence behind the theory. There's a lot of evidence in favor of evolution, including the fossil record that shows more complex plants and animals appearing across time and genetic similarities in organisms.

Humans can "make" Chihuahuas and Great Danes out of basic dog-stock by choosing which individuals get to reproduce, thus shaping the next generation of canines until we get what we want. We geologists have a lot of time at our disposal — because Earth history is long — so it's easy for me to see that Mother Nature also can select mamas and papas in a way that leads species themselves to change.

What can explain why 72 percent of our nation's high school biology teachers don't teach basic biological theory in class? The problem isn't limited to one region of the country, so it's not just a Bible Belt issue.

I suspect the personal religious convictions of the silent 72 percent don't explain everything that's happening. I go to church every Sunday; I've been doing so all my life. Heck, on a good week, I even put money in the plate. So I can testify that most of the traditional, mainline Christian denominations in this country have accepted evolutionary theory since 1900.

Some high school biology teachers really are creationists, rejecting every form of evolution. Their views, of course, are not scientific. People are welcome to religious ideas — very welcome in my book. But beliefs given to us by our faith should not shape science education.

I suspect a lot of teachers in the silent 72 percent are simply taking the easy road. They know that if they teach evolution, some parents will be upset. If the teachers just neglect to mention the theory, who is the worse for it?

But it's our students who suffer from not learning the basic theory of biology. We're not teaching them good science — and, by our example, we are teaching them cowardice.

Perhaps we really are falling behind, both in the realms of science and, even more importantly, of integrity.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 08:09 am
@wandeljw,
Dogmatism can have a very bad effect on a society!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 09:50 am
@Ionus,
I see the AMerican right as unable to "tolerate anyone not like themselves."
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 09:52 am
@Ionus,
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So ignoring someone is nicer than talking to them....that's some spin you've got going there.


Ignoring people eliminates stress for the one doing the ignoring.

Ignoring someone like you is nicer than engaging you, both for you and the person choosing to ignore you. You are a bellicose person.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:03 am
@plainoldme,
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I see the AMerican right as unable to "tolerate anyone not like themselves."
I love disagreement, it fills the topic with many views. However, when the entire communication is an obvious cry for attention and the writing style is disjointed and full of run ons ,and its gone on unchanged for 5 years, well. I see no reason to believe that an individual will "grow up", SO "ignore" is a great feature. Beating ones head against a wall expecting a different outcome each time may be what Australians respect, but in my neck of the woods, we know that hitchin a dray horse to a sulky is gonna give you a bad ride
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:05 am
When a topic becomes all lonus/spendius all the time I eventually have to tune out.
 

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