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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 08:31 pm
@reasoning logic,
I do not believe in a personal God nor do I believe the Bible to be anything more than an historical record of morality based stories and political struggles.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 08:34 pm
@Ionus,
Ok then you and I see some things closely but I do wonder why I do not understand you at times! I will go back now that I know your view point and try to make better sense of what you have said.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 08:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
I should add that I always defend the belief of religious people since the atheist nazis tried to exterminate the jews.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 08:40 pm
@Ionus,
I am against all extermination of any people! Are we not all equal even though we may have different view points? Is there any one group better than the other male or female, black white, ect.
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 10:26 pm
I should add that I always defend the belief of religious people since the atheist nazis tried to exterminate the Jews

Ionarse.

Yah got it arse abou peat again , above should read ------We should always defend the beliefs of fearless atheists since Catholic pope loving nazis followed their biblical god's way of doing the same thing, when trying to eradicating Jews
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:25 am
@tenderfoot,
Tenderarse

The nazis were atheists. The popes you complained about were atheists. You are just another loud mouthed atheist thinking you have the God given right to take over the world. You have murdered, raped and destroyed in the name of atheism. Dont you think you should give it a rest and let people have their rights ? Should everyone be like you ? What a laugh that would be.....
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:26 am
@reasoning logic,
There is one group that thinks it is superior to everyone....atheists.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 06:00 am
@parados,
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I only used YOUR definition spendi.


Yes--but I had flesh on my definition of "damage" with my comments, woefully superficial as they were, about mood and how mood affects metabolism and cell function. Mood is involved in social relationships as well.

In a letter to an English actress who was in New York Bernard Shaw wrote--

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I urge you to go to church once a day at least to tranquillise your nerves. . . The religious life is the only one possible for you. Read the gospel of St John and the lives of the saints: they will do everything for you that morphia only pretends to do.


He was a Nobel Prize winner and won an Oscar. He was a rampant socialist, atheist and proponent of eugenics.

You simply asserted "damage" and by doing so implied that everyone with a Christian education is damaged.

The mood atheism produces is evident on this thread and others like it. I am quite prepared to keep an open mind on the respective utility for individuals and for collectives of the mood created by the two positions in relation to the future. The past is dead and gone.

Shaw raises the question of the alternatives of religion and pharmaceuticals and one doesn't need to have seen a picture of Einstein to guess which side the industries associated with pharmaceuticals are on.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:25 am
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New book examines evolution vs. intelligent design in science education
(State University of New York, Press Release, February 2, 2011)

Roger Taylor, a SUNY Oswego assistant professor of psychology, wants the next generation of science educators to understand that teaching evolution as doctrine, diametrically opposed to those who believe in intelligent design, sends an arrogant, counterproductive message to their students.

"When you start talking about the evolution of humans as people, it can be very frightening for some students and parents,” said Taylor, who co-edited a new book that explores how we know what we think we know in the Darwinian debate about origins and change. “You have to be sensitive about how you approach it.”

Routledge, of New York and London, a publisher of scholarly work, this year released “Epistemology and Science Education: Understanding the Evolution vs. Intelligent Design Controversy,” co-edited by Taylor and a mentor of his, Michel Ferrari of the University of Toronto.

The strident positions of advocates of teaching evolution over intelligent design, or vice versa, often boil over to public controversy, as in the case last year of an Ohio science teacher fired after refusing to remove a Bible from his desk, burning an “x”—some said a cross—into a student’s arm and insisting on teaching evolution as a theory.

Taylor, a first-year SUNY Oswego teacher, earned his Ph.D. at the University of Pittsburgh and began research on the book during his post-doctoral work at Vanderbilt University.

What would Taylor, a cognitive psychologist, like the central takeaway of the book to be for science teachers, particularly in middle schools?

“In terms of the language they use, I would emphasize humbleness,” he said. “We seem to want to make firm statements. The more you know about science, the more you know that it’s tentative. In terms of evolution, let students know that this is our current theory, but it could be overturned. Science is a way of understanding the world, and this is our current understanding.”

“Intelligent design can be considered a scientific theory,” he said. “Look back—astrology and alchemy were the best theories that scholars of the day had at the time. Over the centuries, scientists learned they weren’t very predictive, weren’t very useful. That was one of the things that distinguishes what we consider a scientific theory from a non-scientific theory.”

Taylor argues for an approach to evolution that involves showing, not telling—in an evidence-based, non-opinionated way—about the origin and development of species, and letting students learn to think for themselves. Nor should scientists proclaim their disciplines flawless.

“Science is very messy,” Taylor said. “It sometimes doesn’t work. Experiments go awry.”

Another important tip for science teachers is to acknowledge there’s room for both science and religion.

“Science is a way of understanding the world. Science doesn’t talk about ethics and morals and how you should live your life,” Taylor said. “Religion deals with that.”

Taylor did a great deal of cross-discipline reading for the book—the history and philosophy of science, cognitive psychology and science education research—and collaboration with scholars in disparate fields who wrote chapters. He teaches in the college’s psychology and human-computer interaction programs.

“Oswego is one of the few places that actually appreciates cross-discipline expertise in its professors,” Taylor said. “Lots of institutions want you to focus on a tiny area of study. I really like the idea where biologists can talk with artists and philosophers and so on. That’s something that really impressed me abut Oswego—they foster collaboration among disciplines, and I think that’s really what academia and intellectual life should be about.”
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:33 am
@wandeljw,
From wandel's post:
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“Science is a way of understanding the world. Science doesn’t talk about ethics and morals and how you should live your life,” Taylor said. “Religion deals with that.”


What Taylor is trying to say is that because Religion deals with ethics and morals, science should play on a level playing field - after he tells us "science is a way of understanding the world."

He's an advocate for religion, but his logic is missing.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 11:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
I have no idea what this young professor is thinking. He teaches psychology, not natural science. This is only his first year as a professor and he is trying to tell teachers from a completely different discipline that they are arrogant if they give preference to the theory of evolution.

My father is 93 and taught as a college professor for 35 years. He would never presume to tell educators working in a different discipline how they should teach.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 11:53 am
@wandeljw,
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He teaches psychology, not natural science.


Many people do not agree with that distinction. They might admit that psychology is at an early stage but they would insist it is a science. And it must be a natural one if human beings are natural, which they are in the evolutionary perspective. They might also insist that the physical sciences have reached a limit and thus that psychology and sociology are the sciences of the future in the sense that they look further than extending the lives of sick people and towards preventing them from getting sick.

It is difficult to imagine that the framers of the constitution did not have the science of psychology at the forefront of their minds in relation to the specimens of human nature it was intended to govern. I would be surprised if a single article of the constitution derived from the physical sciences as they were apprehended at the time.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 01:53 pm
@wandeljw,
That has never stopped anyone so inclined . I really think that, would he take back what he said and totally reword it, he could make it sound acceptable. Now if he was in it for a creer and a half, then thered be no excuse.

I think hes afraid that atheism is catching.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 02:15 pm
@farmerman,
It certainly is. It has every argument in the book going for it for the individual.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:06 pm
@Ionus,
Why don't you consider yourself to be a atheist?
I myself am agnostic but my thinking is closer related atheists than bible thumpers! But I do respect them all.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:12 pm
@reasoning logic,
Some people see that as hedging your bets rl.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:14 pm
@spendius,
What's wrong with that?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:16 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
New book examines evolution vs. intelligent design in science education
(State University of New York, Press Release, February 2, 2011)

“In terms of the language they use, I would emphasize humbleness,” he said. “We seem to want to make firm statements. The more you know about science, the more you know that it’s tentative. In terms of evolution, let students know that this is our current theory, but it could be overturned.


And yet it is disingenuous to imply to students that there is any chance that the basic principles of evolution will ever change because we all know they won't. Science will forever fine tune it's understanding of the evolutionary process, but the underlying fact that life evolved and wasn't a result of special creation is never going to change.

And we know that what's really bothering those motivated by religious belief is the BASIC principles and implications of evolution, not the details. So by indulging in rationalization as a way to instruct students in real science, we simply insult their intelligence.

People like this guy need to stop trying so desperately to merge science and religion, they don't merge. And religious people should be able to be comfortable with their religion even while learning about evolution. If your religion prevents you from understanding reality and makes you uncomfortable with reality then it's no longer a religion, it's a delusion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:20 pm
@rosborne979,
True! With scientists finding more galaxies like our own where planets such as earth exists, they may some day prove other life forms that also evolved from non-organic substance.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 04:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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What's wrong with that?


I didn't say there was. It's the essence of diplomacy.
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