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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
electronicmail
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 04:46 pm
@Setanta,
Your pooch is too friendly by half. I'm tellin' ya, keep sumthin' in reserve Exclamation
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 04:48 pm
Rottys are a stupid breed, a Border Collie'd ropa dope im until he runs home.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 04:53 pm
@farmerman,
Ifn he gets really obstreporous, I can always call out the main relentless phalange, the catahoula
     http://www.susanshami.com/catahoula.jpg
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:05 pm
@Setanta,
Psychologists and police here exercise their minds on why people have dogs like that.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:07 pm
@spendius,
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And they claim to be speaking for science.
They also claim to be able to prove their is no God. Many claims, no substance....
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:11 pm
@spendius,
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Psychologists and police here exercise their minds on why people have dogs like that.
I'll state the obvious...they are afraid. Little dick syndrome. Over compensating for a life spent with excess resulting in bloated unhealty bodies. My dog can run reeeeel fast ! Pity they cant walk up a flight of stairs or go one round with a boxing bag.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:27 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I told ya . . . a border collie ain't gonna get it . . .

http://www.100caniegatti.it/uploads/rottweiler_asti_op_461x600.jpg

Somebody once tried to give me a pair of dogs like this. I said no. Learned that evening that these friendly, energetic dogs were out killing livestock at night.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
Well, jeeze . . . it was a part of an ongoing joke. I don't have dogs like that, and wouldn't have dogs like that.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:30 pm
@Setanta,
Not condemning; just commenting.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
And you can see that the one catahoula is actually French Kissing the cow.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 06:37 pm
@farmerman,
I could have had a catahoula. Somebody moved away from the apartments and actually left it at his door when he left. It was a young and very good animal. As I was unable to give it a proper home, I searched until I found a young couple with a nice spread.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2010 06:28 am
@edgarblythe,
Ive been reading some works by Frank Ravitch on our USSC decisions having to do with religion. In his "MAsters of Illusion" (dont buy it, see whether a nerby U library has it in the stacks or you can, of course, go and sample it on MAZON). ANyway, his theses are that, in all cases our courst use of originalism in its decisions (" There is a wall of...") is an illusory concept. He makes some lawyer up arguments for a"Living interpretation" that seems to be more in line with the SCallia position. SO< WATCH THE DOOR, most of these grassroots movements start with such analyses.

Course, Ravitch is also a denier of originalism in the second AMendment too. so Dave may have a aneurism on that one especially since Ravitch, as a Constitutional AUthority, is still working.
electronicmail
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2010 05:12 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

. You are attempting to introduce faulty morality into evolution. Isnt that the reciprocal of what you dont like about religion ? Introducing faulty evolution into morality ?

I checked Darwin, he agrees with Farmerman http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/d/darwin/charles/d22d/
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....the moral qualities are advanced, either directly or indirectly, much more through the effects of habit, the reasoning powers, instruction, religion, &c., than through natural selection....

...Man may be excused for feeling some pride at having risen, though not through his own exertions, to the very summit of the organic scale; and the fact of his having thus risen, instead of having been aboriginally placed there, may give him hope for a still higher destiny in the distant future. But we are not here concerned with hopes or fears, only with the truth as far as our reason permits us to discover it; and I have given the evidence to the best of my ability. We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system—with all these exalted powers—Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.

spendius
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2010 05:51 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
MAsters of Illusion


A phrase from the 1984 version of Tangled Up In Blue.

Quote:
Some are masters of illusion
Some are ministers of the trade
All of the strong delusion
All of their beds are unmade
Me I'm still heading towards the sun
Trying to stay out of the joint
We always did love the very same one
We just saw her from a different point
Of view
Tangled up in blue.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:25 am
@electronicmail,
What does your quote about humans have to do with rape ? You are aware animals rape, arent you ?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:27 am
@Ionus,
I can't say I was Io. I thought the sexual urge in male animals had to wait upon the "season". And even that is a bit too much for pandas and for some others if population density gets too high.

With humans social and psychological factors over-ride such considerations. I think that is part of Prof. Greer's argument that all men are rapists.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:33 am
@farmerman,
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Dave may have a aneurism on that one


Dave might reply that you have a fall of soot on it.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:52 am
@spendius,
One example off the bat...it is common for teen age kittens of both sexes to be raped by toms long before reaching sexual maturity.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 05:02 am
@electronicmail,
Quote:
....the moral qualities are advanced, either directly or indirectly, much more through the effects of habit, the reasoning powers, instruction, religion, &c., than through natural selection....

...Man may be excused for feeling some pride at having risen, though not through his own exertions, to the very summit of the organic scale; and the fact of his having thus risen, instead of having been aboriginally placed there, may give him hope for a still higher destiny in the distant future. But we are not here concerned with hopes or fears, only with the truth as far as our reason permits us to discover it; and I have given the evidence to the best of my ability. We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system—with all these exalted powers—Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.


That seems a trifle incoherent to me. Habit, reason, instruction, &c. are aspects of religion. And "much more" doesn't do justice to what he said. Some might say "entirely". It's hardly an argument for an anti-IDer. On the strength of it one might say that our moral qualities owe nothing to natural selection. And everything to religion. I never thought fm agreed with that.

The three lines "....Man----future" are wiped out by the following "But". In fact the "But etc" makes the previous sentence look ridiculous. It is just base flattery of his peers who liked to think of themselves as being at "the very summit of the organic scale".

To write those three lines and then follow them with "But we are not here concerned" with the matter is fatuity.

Darwin, it seems to me puts religion centre stage in the advancement of moral qualities, an exclusively human characteristic. Such things are totally absent in the non-human organic world. The worker ants and bees are incapable of being anything else.

And man having "penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system" is a very recent achievement. On the Darwinian time-scale it is in the last tick of the clock to midnight compared with the history of mankind and it was conducted in only one place on earth and that is where the Christian religion was ascendent.

I don't think it is much use to the anti-ID cause to bring Darwin in so completely on the side of ID as that quote does.

Perhaps those who gave you a diploma for comprehension of your own language did so for no other reason than to praise their own methods of instruction.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 05:05 am
@Ionus,
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One example off the bat...it is common for teen age kittens of both sexes to be raped by toms long before reaching sexual maturity.


Are you saying there is intromission and ejaculation in such cases?
 

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