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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 05:59 pm
@farmerman,
Is my info correct that there's about one inch shift to the continents every year? Also, isn't the equator getting larger?
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 07:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Continents drift at varied rates, anywhere from 2 to 6 cm a year. The equator sort of "pumps" as it describes the shape of the planet which we call the "geoid"
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 09:04 am
FLORIDA UPDATE
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Publisher agrees to cut 'pro-creationism' material from high school science textbook
(By Leslie Postal, Orlando Sentinel, September 23, 2010)

The publishers of a marine-science textbook that critics say contains pro-creationism material has agreed to remove two offending pages from editions sold to Florida schools, state officials said.

An advisory group, made up mostly of educators, that reviewed the book on CD-ROM last week recommended that "Life on an Ocean Planet" be approved only if the pages were cut, a participant said.

The Florida Department of Education said the publisher has agreed. Current Publishing, in California, did not respond to a request for comment.

Florida Citizens for Science, an advocacy group active in the push for new science standards, wrote Education Commissioner Eric Smith earlier this week about the book. The group asked Smith – who has final say — to review it himself before deciding whether to put it on the state-approved list.

The group's president, Joe Wolf, said the pages contained "bad science" that is "at odds with state standards" and needed to be removed from the print and computer-based versions of the textbook.

The pages cite the work of a man who testified, during an Arkansas trial, for the teaching of creationism in schools.

"The first thing I noticed is just plain bad biology," said David Campbell, a Clay County teacher who was on the committee and voted not to recommend the book.

Florida adopted new science standards in 2008 amid a controversial debate about evolution. The new standards require the topic be taught.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 10:37 am
In the British Government's new "Bonfire of the Quangos" policy I noticed that the Darwin Advisory Committee is on the list.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:18 pm
AUSTIN — Publishers were put on notice Friday when a divided State Board of Education vowed to reject textbooks with a pro-Islamic and anti-Christian slant, sending a message that critics say promotes fear and prejudice.

The resolution, approved by a 7-6 vote, says that multiple world history textbooks are tainted with views that demonize Christianity and favor Islam.

The move essentially delivers a warning to textbook publishers from one of their largest markets, but it can’t force their hand. Texas schoolchildren wouldn’t see changes in their history books, if any are made, until the board adopts new ones. Adoption is slated for 2012, though likely will be delayed because of budget constraints.

Various religious leaders were split on the issue, while civil-liberties groups condemned the resolution, which the board debated for about four hours.

“I want our students to learn about the Muslim world,” said board member Barbara Cargill, of The Woodlands, who made the motion supporting the resolution. “However, I want other religious groups to be treated fairly.”

The vote — which does not bind future boards — was a victory for the current social-conservative majority, which took a hit in the March primary elections.

The board’s minority bloc tried to kill the resolution, to postpone the vote to check its accuracy and to revise it so Islam wasn’t singled out, but all attempts failed.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
I hope that the November election changes the current configuration on the Texas state board.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 05:46 pm
@wandeljw,
So do I wande. 8-5 would be ten times better. 9-4 a hundred times. 10-3 a thousand times. 11-2 ten thousand times. 12-1 a million times and 13-0 infinitely.

Either way.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 06:49 pm
@spendius,
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In the British Government's new "Bonfire of the Quangos" policy I noticed that the Darwin Advisory Committee is on the list.
What a shame ! Now, being out of work, they will probably flood the internet as self proclaimed scientists sneering at the psychology of religion, a subject they know nothing of....
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 06:51 pm
@wandeljw,
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I hope that the November election changes the current configuration on the Texas state board.
What do the majority want ? I am certain you are not advocating rule by social class...seeing we have replaced landed nobility with scientists.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 07:53 pm
@Ionus,
The majority want free cable tv. Think were gonna give it to em ANUS?.
Fat cjance.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 03:25 am
@farmerman,
The IDers and Creationists jhave been very busy this young school year. Theyve been ******* with school texts, science curriculum in several states and "edge testing" skirmishes in fly over states.
I wonder whether they are perceiving some "deadline" for their silly causes.
Ive been told that the Institute for Creation Research, (founded in Lancaster Pa) has been busy passing out literature 100 feet away from school properties , in compliance with PA ed "Husckster" laws. Im anxious to acquire some of their bullshit tracts and see what pseudo scientific snake oil theyre pushing lately.


spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 04:56 am
@farmerman,
It makes no difference to the argument here what the ICR is pushing near the school gates.

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Theyve been ******* with school texts, science curriculum in several states and "edge testing" skirmishes in fly over states.


So have a motley collection of atheists, do-gooders, attention seekers and a number of ladies of a certain age whose entire exterior appearance is a bare-assed lie as is their pretending to know what they are talking about.

The thread is concerned to identify the silly causes. To pre-judge the matter without entering the debate proper is the epitome of blind, subjective bigotry. You have consistently refused, fm, to consider the outcome of the cause you promote.

A cause is judged silly if its outcome is contrary to our interests. It is even sillier when it is pursued without reference to the outcome in direct proportion to the effort put into the pursuit. It is considered silly to get on the wrong train with the intention of reaching a certain destination and even sillier to get on trains with no destination in view.

If the outcome of your cause is contrary to your own interests, which it is, then your silliness asymptotes the infinite.

How many presidents can you name who were not baptised?

How many presidents can you name who didn't have their children baptised?

How many presidents can you name who "married" in a government office?

How many presidents can you name who were buried without clergy?

I assume the cause of the ICR is partly to avoid us declaring that the presidents who were baptised, had their children baptised, and were married and laid to rest with the benefit of clergy, were and are not silly. If one equates a belief in God with a belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the belief in mumbo-jumbo acting at a distance, as with voodoo, then it follows that all such presidents were and are extremely silly because it is definitely silly to believe in voodoo and the FSM.

When are you going to at least try to adhere to the simplest principles of science fm? Your post could just as easily have been written by a fish gutter although the latter might have had more style than you display.

Your subjective bias can only derive from an objection to those aspects of Christian teaching which are not enshrined in the law. Otherwise you have an issue with the law. And we all know what those aspects of Christian teaching which are perfectly legal consist of. Something to do with undisciplined rumpy-pumpy and every last one of them demeaning to women which is a good enough reason for them to exist. You've invented the rest to prop up your pressing concerns with rumpy-pumpy with the help of writers with the same concerns.

Without those teachings on sexual matters the Church is nothing but a performance of rituals because the law is sufficient for everything else. But then you need to attack all rituals or risk being accused of discriminating against one form of ritual.

All in all--you're up a gum tree.







farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 05:55 am
@spendius,
Seems that Ive forced spendi to dip deeper into his bag of irrelevant insults this AM. Are we more hung over than usual this day? or are we just getting an early start on our SUnday imbibery?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 08:05 am
@farmerman,
Excellent fm. It must have taken some mental effort on your part to come up with such a telling rebuttal of the points I raised which, as everyone can see, you have no answer to.

I'm pissed and my post's meaning is thereby discredited. I've just made a large pan full of damson jam from fruit I picked yesterday in a derelict orchard of a chap who does get pissed a lot. Do you think his being pissed a lot will ruin the jam.

Boy--you are one serious thicko. And I can't understand why you keep trying to ensure that everybody knows it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 08:39 am
@spendius,
I love drawing you out so that you let folks see what substance lies behind the self proclaimed genius that is spendi.
Im goin pout on a limb here but why do I get a feeling that youre just some sorry old retired beurocrat whose life hasnt hit the level of appreciation and fame that you feel you deserve?

Weve given you more than your alloted 15 minutes to make your point and still I find it rather vacuous and Christian Brother slavish. Christain Brother or Benedictines, they are the ass kissers of the Schoenbruns world.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 08:56 am
@spendius,
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The thread is concerned to identify the silly causes. To pre-judge the matter without entering the debate proper is the epitome of blind, subjective bigotry. You have consistently refused, fm, to consider the outcome of the cause you promote.

A cause is judged silly if its outcome is contrary to our interests. It is even sillier when it is pursued without reference to the outcome in direct proportion to the effort put into the pursuit. It is considered silly to get on the wrong train with the intention of reaching a certain destination and even sillier to get on trains with no destination in view

The problem is spendi that you got on a train with no destination in view.

A little light reading that might point out the silliness of relying on "tradition".
http://www.snopes.com/weddings/newlywed/secret.asp
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 09:19 am
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Modesto science teacher's plan to teach intelligent design sparks debate
(By Nan Austin, The Modesto Bee, September 26, 2010)

Of all the much-wrangled issues in public school education, the case of evolution may be the most fragile peace.

Last month, a Modesto science teacher announced at a back-to-school night that he would teach the theory of intelligent design alongside evolution. Modesto City Schools district officials say that will not happen.

However, some trustees and other science teachers say it should. Parents on both sides of the divide are discovering that it is.

"I agree that some science and other teachers (teach intelligent design), yes, and it is unethical when they do so," retired science teacher Mike Kennedy of Oakdale said in an e-mail.

Intelligent design is the theory that living things are too complex to have happened randomly in nature. Proponents say science proves there was a master designer.

Skeptics argue a theory that can't be disproved is not science, it is faith, and as such does not belong in science class.

"The problem is that intelligent design is trying to somehow wed science to faith and it can't because in intelligent design you start with an assumption and it's unquestionable," said Central Catholic High School science teacher Chris Wilde.

Wilde's classroom has a life-size cutout of Albert Einstein by the window and a crucifix over the door. The 34-year teacher, who holds master's degrees in physical sciences and theology, said there is no conflict between evolution and her faith.

"I love this quote by Pope John Paul II: 'Let science tell us what and how. Let religion tell us who and why.' Truth is truth. We just answer different questions," she said. "We believe in a God that is so powerful he could create it all, then allow it to unfold. To me, that is a far more awesome God."

Wilde added, "I think it's so wonderful that I'm related genetically to every other creature that's ever lived. ... I think it's an honor."

At Big Valley Christian High School, science teacher Francesca Orr works within a more conservative Christian standard. The school is attached to Big Valley Grace Community Church, which states on its Web site, "We believe that man was created by God in His own image, and not the product of evolution or animal ancestry."

Orr said in an e-mail, "All of our content subjects are taught in accordance to rigorous California state standards, while our instruction is delivered from a Biblical world view."

Wilde and Orr teach in private schools, where religious instruction is approved and high-stakes state tests are not such a driving force.

In public school, teachers don't have time to expound on personal views, said Megan Gowans, executive director of the Modesto Teachers Association.

"Typically, in these days of testing, the district has looked askance at that. You really can't deviate from that (pacing) calendar," Gowans said.

She said the union was not notified of any problem in the case of Roosevelt Junior High teacher Mark Ferrante, the instructor who last month told parents of his intention at back-to-school night. Ferrante did not answer e-mails seeking comment.

"He will not be teaching intelligent design. He has been instructed to teach the state standards and intelligent design is not in the state standards," Modesto City Schools spokeswoman Emily Lawrence said last week.

The administration hews to the official policy, set by the board a decade ago, of not teaching intelligent design. Today, as then, the Modesto City Schools board is divided on the issue.

"The current curriculum states that the evolution of man, Darwinism, must be taught as a theory. I feel we do our students a disservice by not helping them become critical thinkers when we forbid the teaching of competing scientific theories, such as intelligent design," trustee Nancy Cline said in an e-mail.

Board President Kim Spina said she believes creation theories belong in Modesto's world religions class.

"About 11 years ago my son was given a book about Noah's Ark. ... The author had a picture of the Ark stuffed to the gills with animals, and a dinosaur. I was aghast. I had never heard of intelligent design and had no idea there existed people who actually would put dinosaurs on the Ark," she said.

A former teacher, trustee Steve Grenbeaux sees both sides.

"When the subject came up in my fifth-grade class, I explained both theories as best as I could. Then I told them that if they wanted more information on the Biblical theory to talk to their parents or pastor. As far as I know the only place intelligent design is taught is in Comparative Religions in ninth or 10th grade. I agree with concept of it being taught there. ... I believe that teachers should have the right to briefly explain other theories than what the book covers," Grenbeaux said.

Board Vice President Sue Zwahlen said she believes intelligent design belongs in the religions class.

"Even that topic is ambivalent. (Intelligent design) means different things to different people," Zwahlen said.

Shannon Johnson, Modesto mother of three, said she doesn't want her children taught religion in science class.

"Science versus religion is a false dichotomy. They are coming from two entirely separate spheres, as religion doesn't seek answers, it has them. Science is an ever-learning body of knowledge; it is the application of that same objectivity that gives us heart transplants, blood transfusions, and theorizes about our origins based on data," Johnson said.

Still, deeply devout Christians become teachers and find checking their faith at the door is a moral dilemma.

In Turlock, Dutcher Middle School teacher Don Moon, who teaches a math-science block, said he believes in intelligent design, but teaches evolution.

"I teach macro-evolutionary theory because it has much evidence supporting it to establish a possible explanation for some of the diversity of life found on earth. I do not teach intelligent design because it implies probable creation, which implies a creator, which is strictly forbidden in science ... Is there evidence that intelligent design has taken place? I certainly think so," Moon said in an e-mail.

"If intelligent design were to be viewed as simply aliens seeding the earth to accomplish a living planet, it certainly should be considered a viable alternative theory to evolution. Even that would be more probable than macro-evolution's explanation," Moon wrote.

Students now in high school said there was discussion of intelligent design in his class, which makes sense to Turlock Unified Superintendent Sonny Da Marto.

"There's never been any discussion that talks about limiting discussion (about evolution) or broadening discussions at the district level," Da Marto said. "To the broader question of 'do you look at different theories,' well, that's what we do all the time. ... We want individual youngsters who think for themselves."

He added that he did not know if any Turlock teachers brought up the theory.

"You don't know what happens when the door closes," Da Marto said.

The same is true in Modesto schools, said Barney Hale of the Modesto Teachers Association.

"The truth is, most administrators don't know if it's being taught. They don't have the manpower to watch every class," Hale said.

One trustee, who did not wish her son identified, found out while speaking with a reporter that he learned intelligent design theory in science class.

Intelligent design proponents, through the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture, are waging a national campaign to include the view in science classes on equal footing with evolution.

Scientists, through the National Center for Science Education, are waging a national campaign to block their efforts.

The Oakland-based organization worked on a 2005 Pennsylvania lawsuit, Kitzmiller v. Dover, in which federal district Judge John E. Jones ruled intelligent design was religion, not science, and declared teaching it unconstitutional.

Modesto High teacher Ron Vincent said he doesn't need a court case to tell him to stick to the material. Vincent, who holds bachelor's degrees from Oral Roberts University and Texas A&M, and a master's degree from Notre Dame, has taught Advanced Placement biology and philosophy courses.

"My job there is to teach curriculum and not to convert anyone to my views," Vincent said.

"Everyone has an abiding right to their point of view. ... Philosophy can be somewhat antagonistic to a person of faith," he said, adding "the diversity is staggering," in his classrooms.

"Parents basically want someone who would not be unkind to their kid, would not put down their point of view. ... There's a responsibility to respect." Vincent said. "Respect and kindness go a long way."
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:56 pm
@farmerman,
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The majority want free cable tv. Think were gonna give it to em ANUS?.
Fat cjance.
Apart from the liberal use of Polish spelling, your post has all the hallmatks of an arrogant fool who doesnt believe in democracy. Why is that, Gomer the Turd ? People not recognising your greatness ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:58 pm
@farmerman,
Bringing up drinking habits is silly. How many posts have you made drunk as a lord ? I would wager most.....
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 12:00 am
@farmerman,
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I love drawing you out
You also love looking up google when you have already made a complete jerk of yourself. Try doing it BEFORE posting, hey Gomer the Turd....that might work better.
 

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