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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 03:30 pm
@wandeljw,
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Eric Rothschild of Pepper
Hamilton LLP will be speaking on "Intelligent Design Meets the First
Amendment: The 21st-Century Monkey Trial" at 7:00 p.m. on September
28, in Civic Hall on the Blackwood campus of Camden Community College.

Rothschild was the lead counsel of a team of lawyers that successfully
represented 11 parents in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District,
the first case challenging the constitutionality of teaching
"intelligent design" to public school students in science class. He
will describe the history of the intelligent design movement, how it
was adopted into the biology curriculum in Dover, and what persuaded
the court that intelligent design is a religious proposition, not a
scientific one.

Rothschild's talk is one in a series entitled "Science and Religion:
The Debate Continues." Admission to the event is free, but
registration is required. Professional development credit available
for educators.

This seems to be a nice case summary by the lead Kitzmiller attorney. For Those wishing to go , its being sponsored by NCSE (Im sure the Discovery Institute wont be having any "Shut up and deal" seminars to publically review the defenses crappy performance in this case). The Camden campus is just a few miles South East of Philadelphia right off the Joisey turnpike.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 05:16 pm
@farmerman,
No doubt Eric is on wages and a chance to meet young liberal ladies at the reception following the gig.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 05:17 pm
@spendius,
I trust no alcoholic beverages will be served at the party after all you have said about such items.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 06:00 pm
@farmerman,
Damn, i'd love to be there for that one. Even if it did mean passing though New Joisy and Pennsylvania. You can drive around Philly, right?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:22 am
@farmerman,
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the defenses crappy performance in this case).


Will you explain fm what the performance of the useless and hog-tied defence in the little semi-rural backwater of Dover has to do with the general argument on this thread. You seem to be basing a universal principle on what one judge has said. We've recently seen a judge overturn Prop 8 in California and one set aside a presidential policy on drilling for oil. How many judges decisions turn out to be wrong?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:23 am
@Setanta,
Philly can be totally avoided by taking the NJ T pike . However, one has to accept the alternative of Camden NJ as ones destination. Im prolly going so I will report back on any interestin g tidbits that may transpire.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:29 am
@spendius,
There seems to be about 2,000 kids in grades 6 to 12 in Dover school board's care. Which is about 1/25,000th of the size of the national total.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:40 am
@spendius,
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Will you explain fm what the performance of the useless and hog-tied defence in the little semi-rural backwater of Dover has to do with the general argument on this thread.
I love your feeble attempts at making a point and failing almost every time. Or is it your penchant for "deriving while drunk" that moves your posts forward?

Judge Jones entire district is roughly the size of Scotland and has the population of SCotland and the REpubic of Ireland Combined. (In UK you folks fail to appreciate maps and geography ).

As far as "Hog tied" shall I resurrect some of your posts as the Dover trial persisted? You have apparently herein, merely modified your position to accomodate your dumass worldview.
Perhaps your next attempts will be to convince us that the plaintiffs were under thye influence of SATAN
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:50 am
@spendius,
The Texas School board votes on Thursday.

There are about 3,100,000 students in grades 6 to 12 in Texas. And the decisions are being taken by elected people and those appointed by an elected person.

How does one judge, unelected, compare to that fm in a place like Dover? I think you are attempting to pull the wool over our eyes with your subjective propaganda.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:54 am
@farmerman,
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Or is it your penchant for "deriving while drunk" that moves your posts forward?


It's Ionus you want for that sort of infantile crap.

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 04:55 am
@farmerman,
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As far as "Hog tied" shall I resurrect some of your posts as the Dover trial persisted?


By all means. Go right ahead.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:02 am
@spendius,
If anything unconstitutional should rear its head in Texas, they too shall be met with the same adjudicatory power that our Fed Cort system can muscle.

Why are you being all revisionist spendi? Judge Jones was a conservative appointee of a conservative president. He was called in to defend a conservative POV by a conservative school board.
Seems like the law can transcend these silly religio-political worldviews cant it.

The Aguillard case was adjudicated during the presidency of one of the most conservative presidents in the last century . Local law and political leaniungs of regimes in power seem to be second to the law as stated in the Constitution.

Get over it spendi. The door is slowly closing on the Evangelical POV in public school science classes. Dont try to make anything bigger out of it, you will lose mightily.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:07 am
@spendius,
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Or is it your penchant for "deriving while drunk" that moves your posts forward?
DAMN , That coulda been a great line but I was writing and not thinking. I shoulda said "Drunken deriving" or "Deriving under the influence"

Whos this "Ionus" you keep referring to?
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:17 am
@farmerman,
I'm not defending the evangelical POV. I'm doing my bit to keep aggressive atheism out of schools and militant atheist teachers.

I don't see how that can be done if proper evolution theory is taught. Watered down evolution theory would be lies just as watered down Marxism is.

It won't be me who loses mightily if teaching proper scientific evolution theory becomes instituionalised in U.S. secondary schools. It will be America.

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 05:54 am
@spendius,
Please cite some examples of what "proper evolution" may be in your mind.

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aggressive atheism out of schools and militant atheist teachers.
Such "atheistic" worldviews are Similarly forbidden to be taught in scince classes spendi, or were you unaware? Science is SUPPOSED to be taught as evidence based value neutral . I hope I havent taken the steam out of your panties on that.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 08:28 am
@farmerman,
Oh to still have steam in my panties! But if I had you would be the last person I would think of who might be able to take it out. Even after five years us stranded on a desert island together.

You are aware I hope that I have been trained. And like everybody else in training situations I took most notice of what came my way that was interesting to me. That's how we both came to be like we are under roughly the same training conditions. There was the turgid pedantic stuff, in one week and out the next, after the exams: whilst on holiday.

And as I agree with Alexander Pope, who no doubt stole it, like so--

Quote:
Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of Mankind is Man.


I didn't bother with God or His creation and concentrated on Mankind. And as all men are ******* ***** *****s ( see Hamlet) I was left with no alternative other than Womankind. I found out everything you need to know about evolution in the higher animals right there. As one would expect seeing as how Woman is evolution's most perfect creation. One might well feel one could have produced a better design oneself but I fancy it would be too subjective to be considered scientific.

As I slowly came to feel that we were ruining women I naturally wondered why. So I became interested to a reasonable extent in signs showing them not feeling right themselves. How many ops they were having, pills they were taking and being subjected to ameliorative treatments to their exterior appearance and the fast growing amount of advertising and "copy" devoted to such matters. It's a long story and involves a good deal of interest. I have other interests of course but I find these as well reflect upon the main interest. The cheer-leaders egging on the Grunts is right out of bison country at Eastertime. I didn't just assert, notice, that they do reflect upon the main interest, as you would have done, I explained how with a neat little snapshot of your much vaunted reality. That such a reflection takes place is a function of my trained interest.

I don't look at fossils. I look at life now and work backwards. Like with the roundabout in Geneva. It matters not to me if she is leaning over a pool table with her short skirt ridden up or popping a bare-arse out of the bushes with two eye-whites gleaming in the moonlight. It's the same thing scientifically. I've seen them take on more difficult shots so they can get their skirt up higher. If ever you saw Sky News' frontwoman gliding on the shoulders of her powerful partner towards the camera with her knees wide apart on the Pro-Celeb Ice Dancing show you should know what a reflection is.

It dawned on me slowly, and against my own interest, that the Church's teachings on these matters were correct. And that these matters were the core of the apple.

So being a gallant gentleman I became a defender of the Church. But only when it is attacked. I don't promote it. I see attacks on the Church as attacks on the well-being of women. All the matters in dispute detract from feminine dignity. And I don't give a monkey's toss-off what the feminists think. The unreasonable focus on a few sick priests tells you all you need to know about the weakness of their position. It avoids their position being examined. Biologically. And the feminists hold positions in media where the products pretending to restore the dignity of women are advertised, which is to say pay their bloated salaries.

That's a glimpse of what I think "proper evolution" embraces.

Your other argument has been dealt with. Only atheists would be able to teach it without causing a raft of court cases. And they might need a separate staff room.



spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 08:43 am
@spendius,
And guess who it was who attacked the Church with the most style, with the most verve, with the most daring, the most comprehensively and the most voraciously. Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade. That's who. Anti-ID's second martyr after Julien Offray de La Mettrie.

And Honore de Balzac didn't do so bad.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 08:58 am
@spendius,
and the point you wish to make makes me give a **** how?

PS, what is your opinion re: the fusels as beverages?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 09:47 am
@farmerman,
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and the point you wish to make makes me give a **** how?


Because if you don't give a **** then it becomes obvious that you are here for personal reasons because that is where the real opposition is coming from and not from your sitting ducks which you are using to get things off your chest. You're talking up your game without getting in the ring with the heavyweights. Putting the heavyweights on Ignore or, what amounts to the same thing, not giving a ****, might be understandable but it sure ain't intellectual or scientific.

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 11:52 am
@spendius,
Do you consider yourself one of these "heavyweights"? really?
You dont get out much do you?


hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee



S I said before
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Get over it spendi. The door is slowly closing on the Evangelical POV in public school science classes. Dont try to make anything bigger out of it, you will lose mightily.
 

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