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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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We know there was no "Greece,"
A pathetic attempt to duck and cover. You had no time frame apart from history. It is clear you didnt know the reference was to pre-history.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Yes, we do, by your stupid, ignorant responses.
No, you dont, by your stupid, ignorant responses.

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I'm not interested in what Gomer said; I addressed your post.
Which was addressing Gomer's post. Do you see how it all ties together ? They should call it a thread.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:19 pm
@Ionus,
We were talking about human migration that started in Africa. duh! Africa didn't exist either.

You are some dummy! Where did you get your education?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Africa didn't exist either.
Of course Africa existed! It is a continent not a political division. In your ignorance you have stumbled onto the one way that should be used to refer to pre-history sites. Ask any COMPETENT geologist.

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Where did you get your education?
In the King's Cross Upstairs School for the Mentally Challenged.....just next door to the 24 hr pizza and right above the Raging Stallion All Night Sex Shop.

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duh!
Try to avoid saying that...it makes people think you are as stupid as you sound.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 06:58 pm
@Ionus,
You mean to tell us Africa existed when human migration started? I ask again, where did you get your education?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You mean to tell us Africa existed when human migration started?
You are obviously unaware of this, but the continents existed as seperate land masses when human migration started. Countries did not exist.
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where did you get your education?
I know where you are getting educated, here and now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:25 pm
@Ionus,
I know all that, but we're talking about the land called Africa. You claimed none of the other countries had names. Your intelligence is probably rated at about 80.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
celsius or fahrenheit?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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we're talking about the land called Africa
I will type this slowly so I dont get ahead of your reading ability....Countries come and go, borders fluctuate. Some countries have migrated all over europe with ownership and border changes. Saxony being an example. Africa has always been there. Now do you understand ?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:30 pm
@Ionus,
No. Go back to my original post that you responded to. You claimed countries didn't have a name.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You claimed countries didn't have a name.
You left out the important bit...I am sure that was an accident and you are not a self-serving idiot. So I will include it..." 80,000 years ago".
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 09:37 pm
@Ionus,
@cicerone imposter,
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Migration started in Africa, going east towards China, then going southward toward Australia, and finally into Europe. This all happened by 60,000 BC.


Your response:
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Thank you for the history lesson. It was unneccessary and inaccurate. People migrated by sea and the shore line. The migration into Europe happened simultaneously with migrations towards Australia via India and into China..



I wrote:
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the so-called world in that period included a large swat of what is now Greece into most countries of the Middle East. It wasn't that "local."


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This is also incorrect. In 8,000 BC there was no Greece. There were no countries of the Middle East.


I said "in that period including a large swat of what is now Greece..."



What's your problem? The idea being transmitted with that statement is "It wasn't that local."

CLUE: There were no maps when the migration began.

If I didn't say Middle East, what should I have called that area of the world?

You are as dumb as a rock. You prove it almost daily.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 10:43 am
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From the strange mode of Cornelius's
death, my father had made a transition
to that of Socrates, and was giving my
uncle Toby an abstract of his pleading
before his judges ; ---- 'twas irresistable :
---- not the oration of Socrates, -- but
my father's temptation to it. ---- He had
wrote the * Life of Socrates himself the
year before he left off trade, which, I
fear, was the means of hastening him
out of it ; ---- so that no one was able
to set out with so full a sail, and in so
swelling a tide of heroic loftiness upon
the occasion, as my father was. Not a
period in Socrates's oration, which closed
with a shorter word than transmigration,
or annihilation, -- or a worse thought in
the middle of it than to be -- or not to be,
-- the entering upon a new and untried
state of things, -- or, upon a long, a
profound and peaceful sleep, without
dreams, without disturbance ; ---- That
we and our children were born to die, -- but
neither of us born to be slaves. ---- No --
there I mistake ; that was part of Elea-
zer's oration, as recorded by Josephus
(de Bell. Judaic.) ---- Eleazer owns he
had it from the philosophers of India ;
in all likelihood Alexander the Great, in
his irruption into India, after he had
over-run Persia, amongst the many things
he stole, -- stole that sentiment also ; by
which means it was carried, if not all
the way by himself, (for we all know he
died at Babylon) at least by some of his
maroders, into Greece, -- from Greece it
got to Rome, -- from Rome to France, --
and from France to England : ---- So
things come round. ----
By land carriage I can conceive no
other way. ----

By water the sentiment might easily
have come down the Ganges into the
Sinus Gangeticus, or Bay of Bengal, and
so into the Indian Sea ; and following
the course of trade, (the way from India
by the Cape of Good Hope being then un-
known) might be carried with other
drugs and spices up the Red Sea to Jod-
dah, the port of Mekka, or else to Tor
or Sues, towns at the bottom of the gulf ;
and from thence by karrawans to Coptos,
but three days journey distant, so down
the Nile directly to Alexandria, where
the SENTIMENT would be landed at the
very foot of the great stair-case of the
Alexandrian library, --- and from that
store-house it would be fetched. ------
Bless me ! what a trade was driven by
the learned in those days !

* This book my father would never consent to
publish ; 'tis in manuscript, with some other tracts
of his, in the family, all or most of which will be
printed in due time.


Extract from Tristram Shandy Vol V.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 11:26 am
A recent panel discussion on Australian television on creationism:



spendius
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 12:51 pm
@wandeljw,
Where's the rest of it wande. It cut off just as Dawkins leaned backwards as soon as he knew that the question he was being asked was the big one and for which he has no satisfactory answer. He can say that spirituality has psychological/physiological benefits but only to those who are mentally ill with the delusion and that is going to alienate him from the general public. I've heard many a remark to the effect that the general public have a screw loose.

And that the normal, well-adjusted and logically oriented person, (such as himself is implied) does not benefit from spirituality. Presumably never having experienced it.

He can say that it has no benefits to anybody except those who are the recipients of the freely given contributions.

By which time his turn will be up and another soundbiter will given a chance to exercise his hypnotic influence on the deluded masses most of whom will be giving a running commentary on the specs , the funny looks, the ties, what they read in the paper, and who is puttling the kettle on.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 04:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is a great argument for anal-obsessives like Gomer and you. It is very clear you said that where the flood occurred wouldnt be the known world for the individuals involved in it, because they would have been aware of other countries like Greece. This is pure garbage and you should have explained yourself better when questioned rather than go on and on defending your stupid and pathetic ego.

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I said "in that period including a large swat of what is now Greece..."
Exactly which period are you referring to ? 60,000 years ago ? Is that the only possibility for a flood ? I was referring to 8,000 years ago, and it is known there was very little trade at that point, and very little if any awareness of others outside the immediate area.

There are geographic areas to refer to, such as Mesopotamia, the Peloponnese, etc which avoid using the names of countries that dont exist at the time. Continents are another example of geographic areas that can be used in pre-history.

Is any of this understandable by you or is your ego blinding you still ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 05:02 pm
@spendius,
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And that the normal, well-adjusted and logically oriented person, (such as himself is implied) does not benefit from spirituality.
Aparently they do benefit from spirituality.... by attacking it. It gives them no end of feelings of importance. Almost God-like. If only everyone would do what he says.....how frustrating for a magnificent person like himself.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 05:11 pm
Perry, White on teaching evolution in schools

The San Angelo Times asked gubernatorial candidates Gov. Rick Perry and challenger Bill White about public education. When it came to evolution and creationism being taught in schools, here's what the two had to say.

Perry: I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution. The State Board of Education has been charged with the task of adopting curriculum requirements for Texas public schools and recently adopted guidelines that call for the examination of all sides of a scientific theory, which will encourage critical thinking in our students, an essential learning skill.

White: Educators and local school officials, not the governor, should determine science curriculum.

____________________________________

The Science v. Religion debate is alive in the state of Texas, where the elected State Board of Education decides school standards. The SBOE has gotten national attention for the way faith and ideology may be influencing the curricula. Currently, staff at the Texas Education Agency must remain "neutral" on the issues of creationism, intelligent design and evolution (or they could be fired).

In schools, students must learn "theories of evolution," but evolution advocacy groups like the Texas Freedom Network say that natural selection and scientific concepts related to evolution aren't taught as factual with the same authority as other subject.

Just under half of American adults say that "evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on earth," according to a study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Evangelical Protestants, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are the least-likely to believe in evolution. They often adopt the Bible's creation story as scientific truth or believe in intelligent design, where a divine force orchestrates the development of living things.

Posted by Kate Shellnutt at September 13, 2010
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 13 Sep, 2010 07:53 pm
I came across a passage in an introductory lesson on plant physiology. I am quoting it for self-indulgent reasons only.

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Laboratory experiments by Frank Brown showed that the metabolism of a vegetable depends on the season of the year and shows a daily minimum in oxygen use near moonrise and maximum near moonset.

For ten years he took measurements of the metabolic rate of the potato. The annual cycle showed the maximum metabolism of the potato from February through mid July and a minimum from mid July through November. The average daily metabolic rate for the potato was lowest from the new moon and first quarter. The metabolic rate increased at full moon to a maximum during the 3rd quarter of the moon.

During the 1970's he began experiments with dried bean seeds. The maximum rate of water uptake by bean seeds occur close to new and full moon and the moon's quarters. Uptake of water by a seed is important in seed germination because the first obvious change is the swelling of the seed as it absorbs water in the soil. Often the seed coats are ruptured by the swelling of the embryo in the seed coat. Frank Brown's results of potato show that plants have an optimum time in the year to grow and that planting at certain times of the lunar cycle may enhance the water uptake of a seed.


From 1972 to 1975, I worked as a lab assistant to Professor Frank Brown. My job was to come in for a few hours each afternoon to collect data from samples that he set up each morning in his investigations of seed water uptake.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Sep, 2010 03:33 am
@wandeljw,
If you think that's scientific wande you should read Daniel Drake's Connoisseur's Handbook of Marijuana and Sir J.C. Bose's stuff in India about plant sensitivity.

The former deals with the American governments scientific efforts to grow hemp in order to be sure of a supply of rope for the US Navy during the war. It is a very complex matter.

And there is Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception.

There is a lot more going on inside plants besides lunar influence.

Prince Charles talks to his plants at Highgrove.
 

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