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@cicerone imposter,

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Migration started in Africa, going east towards China, then going southward toward Australia, and finally into Europe. This all happened by 60,000 BC.

Thank you for the history lesson. It was unneccessary and inaccurate. People migrated by sea and the shore line. The migration into Europe happened simultaneously with migrations towards Australia via India and into China..

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the so-called world in that period included a large swat of what is now Greece into most countries of the Middle East. It wasn't that "local."

This is also incorrect. In 8,000 BC there was no Greece. There were no countries of the Middle East.

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@Jackofalltrades phil,

It is because the self-proclaimed "scientists" like Gomer the Turd feel important sneering and scoffing at what they dont have the intelligence to understand.

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@farmerman,

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Pleicoene

WTF ??? Do you mean Pliocene or Pleistocene ??? Not the sort of mistake I would expect a Geologist to make.....

There was no global flood....to the people involved it was global. Religious beliefs are wrong where they contradict science. Note that is not an excuse for ridicule such as you are fond of doing.

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@farmerman,

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Our Constitution forbids CREATIONISM to be taught "AS SCIENCE" in any science class that is funded with public money.

It does no such thing. It has been interpreted as applying to a seperation of religion and state.

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@Jackofalltrades phil,

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I am glad you are a geologist.

Dont encourage his delusion. Bad psychiatry.

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@Ionus,

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That has been the working hypothesis of Ryan nd Pittman when they used geophysics to define the post Pleistocene encampments of the Black Sea and the Pleicoene sedimentation and infilling of the Mediterranean).

Ive identified 2 distinct " flood events". Besides my creative spelling, whats yer insult about? Do you even realize that there was a Pliocene before there was a Pleistocene? The Pliocene began about 5.2 mya and the Pleistocene, about 1.8 mya. During the Pliocene, a flooding of the MEditerranean desert basin hd occured.

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@farmerman,

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Ive identified 2 distinct " flood events".

You havent identified diddly squat if there is no time frame. I appreciate creative spelling, I think it shows imagination..at least when I do it anyway....

Oh, and I am fully aware of the difference between the two...I pointed it out to you, remember ?

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@Ionus,

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You havent identified diddly squat if there is no time frame.

Im sorry, I didnt realize that you werent aware that the words Pliocene and Pleistocene both had a "TIME SIGNIFICANCE".
If you wish me to be more specific,no problem. the infilling of the Med occured during the early Zanclean age of the Pliocene(C3n[4n] chron age ) and the Flooding event(s) of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea occured at least twice in late Pleistocene time (C(1n) chron age).

Use the information wisely

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@Ionus,

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It does no such thing. It has been interpreted as applying to a seperation of religion and state.

Please dont show us your ignorance ANus.
The Constitution says what the Supreme Court interprets it to have said. AND, the Supreme Court has interpreted the teaching of CREATIONISM as endorsing a STATE RELIGION and therefore prohibited under the "establishment clause" of the 1st Amendment.

If you wish to nitpick my general statements, get it right moron.

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seperation

and of course this word is spelled "separation". Just a friendly spellcheck ANUS.

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What does all this have to do with the teaching of evolution to a superpower's adolescents? Anybody with the slightest intelligence and honesty knows why there is a push to teach evolution and that it has nothing to do with evolution.

It has to do with discrediting Christian teaching so that licentious behaviour can be both justified and promoted. Media has an interest in that because the promotion of licentious behaviour creates more and more juicy stories to fit in between the adverts and, in the fullness of time, prevents consumer durables being shared as single accomodation units become common. It is no good for TV manufacturers that fm and his wife both watch the same TV set and read the same newspaper. And that applies to everything else married couples share. So break them up is the name of the game. I have tracked the ownership of a fair number of the "local" newspapers wande quotes from and anybody denying I have found a certain pattern is simply got his blinkers on. It's a complex picture worthy of book length treatment.

As is the legal profession's interest in sexual and property mayhem.

And lefties want it in order to promote atheism and natural born malcontents are at home taking on any established order. Eugenicists dream of getting the Church off our backs.

The idea that science is being held back by Christian teaching is ridiculous as anybody can see just be looking and such a foolish argument is rendered doubly foolish, and dishonest, when questions about the prospects of nothing inhibiting science are stuck on Ignore.

Nobody cares about the floods, the Pliocene, the Pleisocene, what happened 5.2 mya or 1.8 mya, or whether the Mediterranean was a duck pond or a desert except those who want to use such irrelevant and off topic arguments to evade the real issue: Atheism as the future. Or to get a soft and fat living off.

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@spendius,

I wonder whats gotten spendis knickers in a knot? Nobody seems to be paying attention to him, so weve gotten another installment of his 360 degree sprayathon. He will lash out at anything in the hopes that someone will bite.
Sorry spendi, I couldnt care less about your personal opinions today.
Try again tomorrow, but thats not looking so good for you then either.

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@farmerman,

Is it standard practice in American geological elites to reply to considered and responsible statements by asserting that those who make them have their knickers in a knot? I thought such practices to be confined to girls junior school playgrounds.

There is no responsibility involved in weaving the winds of the interval of time between 5.2 mya and 1.8 mya. That's a form of intellectual suicide it seems to me. There are seven words in the thread title and not a single one of them ever saw the light of day during that period. Nor for a long time thereafter.

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Nobody seems to be paying attention to him, so weve gotten another installment of his 360 degree sprayathon.

Such a sentence could only be written by an illiterate or someone desperate to find something to say when stumped by an on topic and very relevant post.

I didn't express any opinions.

And I don't give a flying **** what you care about fm. Neither today, tomorrow or every day of every year. You're a joke. What I say is for the viewers of this thread. Any of them who are impressed with your "rebuttal" need to get themselves off to a proper school.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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That has been the working hypothesis of Ryan nd Pittman when they used geophysics to define the post Pleistocene encampments of the Black Sea and the Pleicoene sedimentation and infilling of the Mediterranean).
Ive identified 2 distinct " flood events". Besides my creative spelling, whats yer insult about? Do you even realize that there was a Pliocene before there was a Pleistocene? The Pliocene began about 5.2 mya and the Pleistocene, about 1.8 mya. During the Pliocene, a flooding of the MEditerranean desert basin hd occured.

And those who have read Julian May's incredible sci-fi series, _The Many Colored Land_ will know that the Mediterranean Basin flood event during the Pliocene was caused by a war between crash-landed extraterrestrials and incredibly powerful telekinetic time-traveling humans from the future. (I kid you not... awesome book by the way Smile

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@rosborne979,

I did not know that. Here all along weve been going with the glacier meltwater thingy.

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@spendius,

Noone was interpreting THE INTERVAL between the Zanclean and the Lower Pleistocene. If you would have tried to engage that "powerful intellect" of which you try to bore everyone with, you might have seen that there were several DISCRETE events that occured at the terminii of these ages(In fact, many folks feel that it was those very events that defined the terminii)

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Your letter to your child's biology teacher
(by Greg Laden, Department of Anthropology, University of Minnesota)

You have to tell your child's life science teacher (or, any science teacher for that matter) that your family does not support creationism, does not want to see anyone "teaching the controversy" and that you know that "Intelligent Design" is a form of creationism. I promise you, the creationist parents of your child's peers, and some of the creationist kids in the classroom, are not keeping their mouths shut. Why should you?

So, pursuant to this, I have composed a template for you to use as an email or letter to send to your child or ward's life science teacher:

Dear [Fill In the Blank],

My child/ward [Fill In the Blank] is in your class, [Fill In the Blank], and s/he and I are both very excited about the prospect of learning a great deal of new things about the natural world, as well as how to approach problems scientifically. Whenever you are looking for parent volunteers for help in your class, or seek spare or recycled materials that we may have at home, we will be the first to volunteer, so don't hesitate to contact me ([Fill in best way to contact]).

I am very much aware, as I'm sure you are as well, that teaching science can be controversial, and that there are people and organizations, and even some of your students and some of their parents, and perhaps even some of your colleagues on the faculty, who would prefer you to either teach creationism or, at least, give creationism (or, as it is sometimes called, "Intelligent Design") some sort of "equal time." However, I'm sure you are also aware that the Federal Courts have decided quite firmly that "Intelligent Design" and "Teaching the Controversy" are nothing other than novel forms of the same old creationism, and that it is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution to do so. I and my entire family are fully in agreement that no form of creationism or anything like creationism should ever be taught in a science class in a public school.

It is not uncommon for a teacher to hear from creationists that they don't like evolution, or Darwin, or that they want their religious beliefs to shape your curriculum. Those individuals, be they parents or students or someone else, are wrong, and they have no legal, ethical, or moral basis to make such an argument. Nonetheless, they can cause trouble, and that seems to be their intent on occasion. I want you to know that I am a member of the National Center for Science Education as well as our local equivalent, [Fill in the blank with name of state or local group], and if you ever have any pressure from any source to hold back on teaching excellent science, including and especially evolution, you can count on me and those organizations to lend you support in a thoughtful and professional manner.

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@Ionus,

Ionus, It is evident that you have not kept up with all the lawsuits that have transpired in this country. The creationists have always lost in our courts of law.

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@wandeljw,

Would you mind wande not putting obvious adverts on this thread. It's a science thread and adverts are out of place.

Especially when they refer to the fact that " teaching science can be controversial" , and then pass along hoping the reader won't notice the parachute phrase, without specifying exactly what it is that's controversial and so whatever it is that is controversial, and it's a mighty lot and most of it is ultra-sensitive as well as controversial and quite embarrassing in a very personal way, can be forgotten about (un-thunk) in order to get the plugs in and create the impression in the minds of speed readers that 90% of American are superstitious dingbats and only those who want pure science taught, as the NSCE is likely to do so long as the controversial aspects are only gently alluded to, are respectable and fine upstanding citizens of this great Godless Republic.

Is the University of Minnesota aware that Mr Laden is using its name to give credibility to his mindless pap?

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@farmerman,

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I did not know that. Here all along weve been going with the glacier meltwater thingy.

No no no, a psychopathic super-telepath named Felice blasted the Straits of Gibraltar with a pychic bolt. She did this specifically to flood the mediterranean basin in order to alter the outcome of a battle that was being waged (between factions of an alien race) in the basin. And before anyone starts laughing too hard, remember that millions of people still believe that Noah's flood actually happened. Who knows, 2000 years from now Julian May's book may be the bible of the day.

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@rosborne979,

I think youre scaring me

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