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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 08:31 am
LOUISIANA UPDATE
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You can't cloak Louisiana Science Education Act's religious intent
(Barbara Forrest, Shreveport Times, July 18, 2010)

In his June 26 response to Charles Kincade, the Rev. Gene Mills, executive director of the Louisiana Family Forum (LFF), portrayed the 2008 Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA) as "landmark" legislation — a "bold step" to "promote critical thinking skills" in public school science classes.

Decrying "censorship over academic freedom," Mills credited "the courage of our policy writers" for Louisiana's "cutting-edge, beneficial law." He added that "the LSEA passed the Louisiana House of Representatives and Senate with near unanimous bipartisan support."

Of these assertions, only the last is consistent with the facts. The Legislature did pass the LSEA, but their doing so had nothing to do with courage. It had everything to do with Family Forum's aggressive lobbying and cultivating legislators for almost 10 years. Most important, the LFF finally got a governor, Bobby Jindal, who would sign a creationist bill. The fact that a largely new Legislature was scared to death of crossing Jindal made 2008 the right year for the LFF to strike.

Nor did "our policy writers" write the Louisiana Science Education Act, as Mills claims — unless one considers the LFF a policy writer, which is precisely the status that this organization enjoys under Bobby Jindal's administration.

The LFF announced on their website that they wrote the bill. They were assisted by the Discovery Institute (DI), a creationist think tank in Seattle that has hawked "intelligent design" for almost two decades. The LSEA is a variant of DI's creationist "Model Academic Freedom Statute," variants of which the Discovery Institute was peddling in six state legislatures in 2008, as it did again in 2009. Only Louisiana has enacted this piece of rubbish into law.

Denying that the Science Education Act permits teaching creationism, Rev. Mills asserted that the bill's prohibition of "discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion" was included at "LFF's insistence." However, religion disclaimers are an old creationist tactic.

The Science Education Act's disclaimer is part of DI's model bill and was included in all of the various state versions in 2008-2009. Such disclaimers were used in "creation science" legislation in the early 1980s. The act's disclaimer is merely a transparent, pre-emptive attempt at legal self-defense against the accusation that the LSEA promotes religion.

But legislation that is about real science education need not include religion disclaimers. Disclaimers are typically included in creationist laws, which are precisely about promoting religion. Moreover, only creationists complain, as Mills did, about "Darwinian dogma in our schools." As recently as October 2009, the LFF's Family Facts newsletter was bashing "evolutionist propaganda" while presenting "Design Theory" as reflecting "the text of the Bible."

Rev. Mills' denial that the LSEA is a creationist bill is also belied by the fact that the only people that the Louisiana Family Forum brought forward to testify for it were creationists, including a Discovery Institute operative. Only two groups promoted the LSEA: the LFF, which featured creationist materials on their website at the time the LSEA became law, and the Discovery Institute, whose chief project is hawking "intelligent design," which has been thoroughly documented as creationism — including in federal court. Public school science teachers did not request this law. On the contrary, they opposed it.

Finally, Mills' referring to public schools as "our schools" is sheer hypocrisy. Mills considers himself qualified to manipulate the education of other people's children in public schools to which he doesn't send his own. In his 2008 Christmas newsletter, updating readers on his children's activities, he revealed that they don't attend public schools. They are home-schooled and attend a private Christian school. Yet this man is dictating educational policy.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 08:34 am
@wandeljw,
Any word of a court review in the works?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 08:39 am
@edgarblythe,
I have not heard of any pending court actions. Barbara Forrest has warned parents to be on the lookout for creationist material being introduced into science classes. If that happens, maybe some parents will sue in federal district court.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 10:11 am
@wandeljw,
There's always some busy-busy bluestockings watching what we are up to with a view to leading us to the promised land. They are usually ladies of a certain age. You never hear of any cute doxies at it though.

Odd that!!

I think it places cute doxies at an advantage when they are dealing with guilt-ridden applicants. Take away the guilt--take away the naughty--take away the naughty--take away the fun--take a way the fun--("Take this sample nurse and introduce it into Mammy 64/9712/358/ D in room 69A. Mr Shaw didn't have modern science when he addressed Mme. Bernhardt as he did. hehehehe!!")--take it away Doc.

What does Ms Forrest suggest as a method of producing a more marvellous race of people as we are. After all we all come from the missing link, unless there's more than one, and who else got to technicolour, ice-cream sundies with sprinklings of hundreds and thousands for 99cents, which can be easily earned while sneaking a go on the internet in the boss's time, and ladies you could die for.

Some people have no appreciation. It amazes me that they think they know some history and they don't even know that it's all down to the Popes. Or one might say "the Pope's.

And there's no way they are ever going to prove that it is despite the Popes and that Science should step into the light to take a bow because they haven't the evidence or the capacity if there is any. Which there isn't assuming assertions don't count as evidence. Which they don't.

Real history resides in the fiction writers of the past whose names have the permanence of great cathedrals. All the rest is gloss by paid hacks.

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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 07:46 am
@farmerman,
Your insults, like your pathetic arguments, are a waste of space. You want everyone to worship science and be like you. That is truely frightening.
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Ps, why dont you just finish your bottlew of gin and pass out for the night Pvt Anus.
Because Gomer, I dont drink. I leave that to the fools like you to hide from reality and wallow in justified self pity.
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because its not even remotely evidenced beyond a blackboard
Your knowledge is below that of a layman. You criticise God for not existing, yet you accept evolution as evidenced beyond a blackboard ? Where shall I see it happening ? When you next nearly kill yourself due to poor reflexes and an aging body and mind ? Is that evolution ? Thinning out the gene pool of fools like you ? Where might else I see it in action ? Are you sober enough to answer, fraud ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 07:50 am
@spendius,
It always staggers my imagination that this turd is so stupid he thinks it will be a better world if everyone worships science like him. Which part of the physical sciences do we get respect for others, something he clearly knows nothing of or he wouldnt want people to be like him.

They are pathetic and frightened. They worship God, they just call it science.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 08:32 am
CANDIDATE FOR MAINE GOVERNOR FAVORS TEACHING CREATIONISM
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Irreparable harm to sciences if LePage elected
(Michael Hawkins, Kennebec Journal Opinions, July 19, 2010)

In a televised debate on May 27, Paul LePage seems to indicate he thinks public schools ought to teach creationism to children.

One version of creationism tells students that Adam and Eve really existed, that the entire globe flooded (in just over a month, no less), and that the universe is 6,000 years old.

All these things are falsehoods.

And LePage is OK with teaching them to children because he doesn’t really understand science.

This isn’t just some abstract misfortune in science education. There will be real-world consequences, including the harming of future conservation and management efforts.

Biologists often use genetic markers to determine variation within and between populations to determine the best way to maintain healthy species. One example involved the use of microsatellites to determine the temporal and spatial population structure of Atlantic cod populations across the Gulf of Maine.

Some of the questions that had to be asked in order to better manage Maine’s Atlantic cod population: Were we seeing several distinct populations or was there breeding between seemingly distant groups? How much variation was there within populations that were being treated as separate?

Under LePage, students could be discouraged from ever getting to know what microsatellites are, what their importance in genetic testing is, or what they mean to management services in Maine.

LePage could instead encourage students to reject science — especially biology and its underlying theme and fact of evolution — by having teachers instruct them that faith is an OK way of knowing.

If LePage has his way, the future of Maine biologists — and all the species they manage — will be threatened. And that’s just the first field of science we know he could harm.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 09:01 am
@Ionus,
I dont worship science shitface, Im employed as one and, as far as I can determine, it has no bearing on any spiritual (or lack thereof) side of me. Your arguments are simple minded.
As far as seeing evolution in action, where do you wish to start? any specific species or groups youve in mind?

So you dont drink anymore, thats probably good. What with your volatile personality youd probably be tossed in the pkey for Drunken disorderly because soeone disagreed with your claptrap.

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 09:09 am
@wandeljw,
LePage is the "teabag" candidate. Im amazed at how the baggers arent screening their candidates beyond resume requirements to:

1have a valid pulse

2Be as berserk as a rabid weasel.

There are a number of teabag candidates who are luddites, racists, aryan nation types, Readers or the "Turner Diaries", militia members, and Glen Beck.

Amazin aint it?



spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 10:02 am
@farmerman,
That's a lot of assertions fm--even for you. Pretty broadbrush ones too. Not very scientific to put it at its mildest.

It is reasonably well known in those circles which keep their heads out of their arse that with certain types of people, control freaks mainly, there is an eager subjective readiness to grasp a new concept because to do so has a status of esteem in regard to a separation of those who grasp it from the common herd.

So much so, indeed, that pretending to have grasped the new concept by the simple expedient of knowing a few technical terms associated with it, or even just the name of it, as with string theory or quantum mechanics, and mentioning these words in a familiar manner, is considered sufficient in the company of those who have no idea about the concept to allow this invidious distinction to be emphasised and possibly even accepted.

It has been obvious for a long time that you have not grasped the concept of evolution. If you had you would be an Absurdist. Thus, by a very simple logic, you are pretending to have grasped it and are using the method sketched superficially above, to snow those who don't know anything of the matter into thinking you are an expert on it. And it seems to work in a number of cases who would all be well advised to take up evening classes.

What can a true evolutionist say about the Luddites, for example, when the jury of destiny has not heard all the evidence or seen the result of the suppression of what is, from an evolutionary point of view, a respectable alternative way for the human race to conduct itself.

And who is not a racist? And wouldn't Luddites have been opposed to militias? Militias are only possible when mechanical efficiences have produced enough surplus to provide for their upkeep and to equip them and they will always arise when such surpluses are available to successful politicians.

You really are intellectually confused but that is common in those who employ the method I described to show off a pretence at expertise using only big-wordisms and ignorant assertions.

It is amazing I agree.

rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 10:06 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

CANDIDATE FOR MAINE GOVERNOR FAVORS TEACHING CREATIONISM
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Irreparable harm to sciences if LePage elected
(Michael Hawkins, Kennebec Journal Opinions, July 19, 2010)

Under LePage, students could be discouraged from ever getting to know what microsatellites are, what their importance in genetic testing is, or what they mean to management services in Maine.


What are microsatellites? And once they are up there in the heavens, what keeps them from bumping into God and annoying him?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 10:55 am
@spendius,
It is also well known that most people who have thought through a position, or believe themselves to have done so, also believe that the mere fact that they have or believe themselves to have thought through a position, an incident incidentally, infinitessimal in the scheme of things, establishes the validity of it.

With excessive emotional investment in fatuities of that type it becomes necessary to ignore any evidence which contradicts the position, whether thought through or imagined to have been, and it might be said that this ignoring validates the contradiction because otherwise there would be no need to hide away from it.

Those who seek to impress the common herd in the manner I suggested in my previous post are adept at searching out opportunities to give undue emphasis to any position they think they have thought through, an impossible ideal, close their eyes to contradictions and blurt out expressions to negate them which do nothing other than proclaim their own state of mind which is self-evidently unscientific and anti-intellectual.

If one took them to task about their casual use of a word like "misogyny" as a term of abuse I do believe they might easily faint clean away.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 02:20 pm
@rosborne979,
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Microsatellites — Evolution and Applications. Daniel B. Goldstein and Christian Schlötterer (eds). Oxford University Press, Oxford. 1999. Pp. 352. Price £27.50, paperback. ISBN 0 19 850407 1.

Les Noble1

1Department of Zoology, Aberdeen University Tillydrone Avenue Aberdeen AB24 2TZ UK

If you're still one of those biologists who think tandem repeats are something to do with bicycles then this is the book for you! Packed with need-to-know facts, well illustrated and not overburdened by technical jargon, the editors should be congratulated for having had the foresight to assemble 20 chapters, each by active leading experts in their field, which must become a standard reference work. Microsatellites – those short but enormously useful repeated stretches of DNA – are found in most species and exhibit exceptional variability, attributes which make them the marker of choice for everything from investigation of mutational mechanisms, population genetic analyses, fitness consequences of inbreeding, historical reconstruction of human populations, conservation genetics and detection of selective sweeps, as well as having a variety of forensic and medical applications.

The book begins with essays describing the mutational properties, generation, decay and possible functional roles of microsatellites, painlessly introducing the theoretical models which form the analytical basis necessary to interpret the wealth of information these markers provide. Although dealing with topics related to microsatellites several chapters, such as that by Armour et al. make useful comparisons with other repetitive markers such as minisatellites. Population geneticists will find the chapters on evolution, mutation and migration, inbreeding/outbreeding and conservation particularly useful and detailed. Several of these chapters, for example Pemberton et al., really do place some classical field studies in a new context, promising useful tools for investigating hitherto intractable problems in natural populations. While those sections on microsatellite diseases and the role of microsatellites in mapping disease-associated regions within the human MHC may have a rather more limited audience they nevertheless provide a fascinating view of the medical consequences and utility of these repetitive regions. The discussions of reconstructions of human populations and the forensic applications are gripping and well-written, and the application of population and phylogenetic approaches to the analysis of human tumours illuminating.

Although an invaluable reference source with a useful glossary and a detailed appendix on numerical modelling, this text will be most valued by proponents of the art for pulling together a series of such wide-ranging and usefully detailed topics. Not all chapters will appeal, but most readers will consider their money well spent. After dipping into this text newcomers to the world of molecular biology could be forgiven for thinking there never was a time before microsatellites — how could biologists have got by without such phenomenally useful tools for so long?

Microsatellites are the ENglish equivalent of what weve been calling STR's (short tandem repeat alleles). Those bits of unique DNA that lounge on a genome and confer some sort of "regional or personal " fingerprint to a population. QWeve uased STR's (microsatellites) for forensic determinations over 20 years now.
I think the term "Microsatellites" is a UK term. Those Brits are always Cockneying up the language.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:29 pm
@farmerman,
How many zillions of these items are running around ros's pipes and tubes fm?

Loved the "some sort". All purpose authority eh?

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:51 pm
@spendius,
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Loved the "some sort". All purpose authority eh?
Dont try any attempts at ridicule when you dont understand the meaning. It makes you look really stupid.

Noffence meant bloke
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 07:00 pm
@farmerman,
I cant believe you think you are a scientist. You are a pedestrian tradesman. What ground breaking research have you done, o noble scientist ? Just because some fools such as Steady Eddy like you does not mean you are right. As for not drinking, might I recommend it before you post ?

As for the spiritual side of you, you dont have one. If you think liking fringe art and shouting into the ether make you spiritual, you are a bigger clown than even I thought you were.

Wave a magic wand.... there are no more believers in God...apart from the world now having more damaged goods like you, what have you achieved ? Is the world better off with a scientific basis for morality ? Will science be better if it doesnt feel threatened by religion ? Will it improve ? What will happen to society ? Shall we all worship science and be complete and fulfilled little toadies to a man made God like you ? Shall we study cause and effect and determine that rape and murder are legitimate means of genetic survival ?

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As far as seeing evolution in action, any specific species or groups youve in mind?
Show me a lab experiment where I can affect a major change in evolution and produce a new species of multi-cellular animals with inherent differences of function.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 08:15 pm
@Ionus,
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I cant believe you think you are a scientist.
I cant believe Im talking about science with a parakeet. Having you doubt my career choice just keeps me all awake at nite Anus.
The trouble with any discussions with you is that you wouldnt understand the topic anyway. Just be a good budgie, its what you do best.

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Show me a lab experiment where I can affect a major change in evolution and produce a new species of multi-cellular animals with inherent differences of function.


Heres one. Stick your head in a loo up to your nares . If evolution works as its supposed to you will develop gills.
If you dont, youre a witch.



Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 01:17 am
@farmerman,
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Heres one. Stick your head in a loo up to your nares . If evolution works as its supposed to you will develop gills.
If you dont, youre a witch.
No, that wont work and it shows your ignorance of evolution. Admit to being a fraud. Your qualifications are a desire to have been someone when clearly you arent and werent.

Your hysterical attacks on religion show your insecurity. Your lack of knowledge on ANY science subject show you to be an egotistical fraud. Admit it Gomer the turd, you lack any serious education let alone science.

What is the alternative to people believing in God...being like you ?? Sight at once abhorred....
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 01:20 am
@rosborne979,
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And once they are up there in the heavens, what keeps them from bumping into God and annoying him?
You think Carl Sagan will bump into satellites and will be annoyed by them ?
failures art
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 02:40 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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And once they are up there in the heavens, what keeps them from bumping into God and annoying him?
You think Carl Sagan will bump into satellites and will be annoyed by them ?

I don't know who voted this down, but it's pretty damn funny no matter what your beliefs are.

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