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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:56 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Whats the point of this report on Freshwaters bags?

I couldn't figure that out either. Maybe they are pulling a "spendius" on the court (throwing jibberish into the process just to obscure and hinder the conversation).
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 08:13 am
@rosborne979,
word
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:02 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Whats the point of this report on Freshwaters bags? Is he claiming some kind of conspiracy? Wasnt he the one who burned the kids arms with a tesla coil?


Freshwater is the science teacher suspended for teaching creationism and for a complaint from parents of a student who had a cross burned on his arm with a tesla coil.

His termination hearing has lasted more than a year and has cost the school board a lot of money. He has also countersued the school board. This issue of the bag is an attempt to suggest a conspiracy against Freshwater (making it look like evidence of him teaching creationism was falsely planted by investigators). Some science bloggers have described the Mount Vernon situation as uglier than the Dover situation.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:06 am
@wandeljw,
Well, so this is a pre-trial motion by the press. At least in Dover, th entire issues were reported from school board minutes . The majority of the items of conflict were stipulated to by the defense.
Freshwaters countersuit should be interesting as his counsel begins to create all sorts of cabals.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:07 am
@wandeljw,
As I recalled, his countersuit os for some undisclosed amounts of cash ,no?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 09:51 am
@farmerman,
As I understood it the allegation of the burning of a cross was a false one. Is that the case or not?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:09 am
@farmerman,
Freshwater is suing the school board for one million dollars (alleging defamation of character).

Spendius: Freshwater admitted to demonstrating tesla coils by burning marks on the arms of his students. Freshwater said he did not burn a cross but merely an "X".
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:26 am
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Expert to talk on pre-Darwinians
(Jake Lane, University of Tennessee Daily Beacon, 02-10-2010)

For the last 101 years, students, scientists and academians of all kinds have celebrated the life and work of Charles Darwin on Feb. 12, the forefather of natural selection’s birthday.

At UT, such festivities are a time-honored tradition.

One unsung group, however, rarely receives much recognition: the pre-Darwinians, the scientific pioneers whose work Darwin used in conjunction with his observations to compile his theory of natural selection.

William E. Friedman, this year’s Darwin Day speaker, is a specialist on the topic. Friedman teaches pre-Darwinian theory at the University of Colorado. He has published more than 60 articles in various publications on botanical issues and phenomena and is somewhat of a Darwin historian.

“(Friedman) is somewhat of a Darwin fanatic,” Joseph Williams, associate professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at UT, said. “He has a library of books on Darwin.”

Though pre-Darwinism is not a huge academic field, Friedman’s exploration of those thinkers who influenced Darwin may prove a key to understanding Darwin the man.

“Dr. Friedman will examine some of the key players of evolutionary thought that came before Darwin,” Matthew Valente, graduate assistant in geography, said. “These people set the stage for Darwin, and by examining their work, we see how profound Darwin’s discoveries were.”

“(Pre-Darwinian theory) studies the context of why Darwin did what he did,” Williams said. “Before Darwin, all of the biologists were creationists, and no one doubted it. Nowadays we can just converse about it, but Darwin had to falsify creationism ... to bring scientific thought into biology.”

Friedman’s background in ecology also brings a new view of Darwin to students.

“This is the first time we’ve had a botanist speak,” Valente said. “Darwin actually published more on plants than he did on animals, which is something many people may not realize.”

The celebration of Darwin’s life and work remains important to biologists, as the man served as an architect for their field.

“Darwin did for biology what Einstein did for physics but on a more important level,” Williams said, “’On the Origin of Species’ is one of the best-selling books of all time. His work is worthy of celebration year in and out.”
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:45 am
@wandeljw,
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Freshwater admitted to demonstrating tesla coils by burning marks on the arms of his students. Freshwater said he did not burn a cross but merely an "X".


Well wande--I guess he shouldn't have done that.

He ought to have known that he was risking over-exciting those who have a great desire to wrap the kids in cotton wool on the Munchausen syndrome by proxy principle by which people can make a great fuss and pose as virtuous at the same time. And are on "hair-trigger".

One might easily imagine more lasting harm being done to the lass, who we have to assume was a volunteer, by the fuss than by the slight redness lasting a few hours which I gather was the effect.

Why was Freshwater not immediately reported to the welfare officers?

What is to be done with Mr Bush and Mr Blair considering the burns inflicted on thousands of kids in Irag, Afghanistan and Pakistan in recent years?

It looks like a witch trial to me. It is that out of proportion.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:54 am
@wandeljw,
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“Dr. Friedman will examine some of the key players of evolutionary thought that came before Darwin,”


Thanks to me wande this thread has discussed some of those matters and with rather more flesh on the bone than your quote does. Reading here may well be more educational than reading the Daily Beacon although not as much as I presume attending Mr Friedman's lectures will be.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 07:54 pm
@wandeljw,
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“Before Darwin, all of the biologists were creationists, and no one doubted it. Nowadays we can just converse about it
Blyth came really close to the concept of nat selection .Darwin gave him credit but Id hardly agree that Blythe was a Creationist. He was more a student of theistic evolution.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:07 am
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Evolution schmevolution: Teach the Bible!
(By Andrew Lahr, University of Wisconsin Daily Cardinal, February 12, 2010)

I was on my way back to the dorms after a vigorous day of protesting those crazy liberal protestors down at the Capitol with my buddy Carl from the local gun club, when I stumbled across my floormate working on some big biology project. He was really having a hard time with it because he said it involved a lot of research and source-checking and stuff of that matter. He asked me to read it over and tell him what I thought about it, which surprised me because people usually don’t ask for my input on just about anything, but I obliged. I read it over, and I won’t lie, there was a lot of scienc-y stuff in there. About three-quarters the way through I realized he was writing about the stuff my ma and pa told me to steer clear of. I am speaking, of course, about evolution. When I realized the sin I had just committed, I immediately dropped what I was reading (which actually wasn’t a fantastic idea because it was his brand new MacBook). He got real mad after I did that and got up lookin’ for a fight, I suppose. Usually I’m prepared for such confrontations, but I quickly realized I left my concealable spray can of bear mace in my bear-hunting jacket (what was I thinking?). Bummer. I’m really not all that big of a guy but I’m quick as a hot-to-trot buck during the rut, so I just kind of ran away at that point.

Flustered by such blatant liberal propaganda, I threw in a large chew and cranked some Kenny Chesney to find my chi. Needless to say, I had some serious soul-searching to do. I couldn’t get those fancy words out of my head. Those blasphemous words floated around in there, popping up at the worst times. “Natural selection,” “analogous structures,” “Darwinism” and “The Beagle’s Voyage,” just to name a few. It felt like the devil himself was trapped in my skull. The very idea that these fools and their left-winged biases actually believed the Earth is over 4.5 billion years old, and that all living things descended from a pool of some sludge just sickens me! I’ll tell you one thing, I know for a fact that some monkey didn’t just crap out my great grandma. In fact, I’m pretty sure my great-great-grandma did.

I don’t read all that much (it makes my brain hurt), but let me tell you one thing: I’ve read the Good Book front to back, and if the Good Book says the earth snapped into existence 6,000 years ago, well that’s just how it went. Those crazies down University Avenue at the genetics building will say stuff like “you can’t possibly start an entire population from two people” and all that other liberal nonsense, but one time back home, two of my cousins got married and had a kid, and he was just fine (except for that miniscule nub of a third arm). I’ll be damned if some fancy-schmancy professor is gonna tell me that that ain’t the truth. It’s time people started getting educated, I say. Just because some old English phony sailed around the world and did a lot of thinking about our origins and took a lot of samples and fossils and stuff doesn’t mean I’m some descendant of some type of Homo habilis and a whole bunch of other homos.

It’s time America woke up I say, and though I got kinda lazy and haven’t done all that much research or stuff, let me tell you, I’m correct about this evolution nonsense. How, you ask? Everyone back home says so, that’s how. I propose a full recall of all materials regarding such heresy; Anyone with a brain knows it’s all just a fad anyway. Hell, where I’m from we don’t even teach science, much less earth history unless you’re learnin’ about something you’re hunting so you can find a way to kill it faster. Which reminds me, I got a “deer-shinin” date with this babe I met at Fleet Farm. Keep fightin’ the good fight!
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:03 am
@wandeljw,
Sounds like the story of Sarah Palin's college days Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:33 am
I find the article rather pathetic. Journalists (or op-ed contributors) describing those with whom one disagrees, especially in regard to controversial issues, as intellectual light-weights is both an example of foolishly underestimating one's opposition, and of feeding exactly what one wishes to starve. People who are in doubt about what to think about the evolution versus religion controversy (a chimerical, manufactured controversy) could very well be offended by the tone of such an article, and come to the conclusion that there really is a cultural war going on here. They might begin to believe that a genuine controversy exists, rather than that a controversy has been manufactured to suit the agenda of certain groups.

It's poorly written, too.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:38 am
@Setanta,
It was written by a college student at the University of Wisconsin. He was going for cheap laughs.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:39 am
@wandeljw,
Yeah . . . you can tell.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:43 am
@wandeljw,
Thanks wande.

If people don't usually ask for his input it tells you as much about the people as it does about him. The readers are obviously exceptions.

But a lot of people have asked Mrs Palin for her input, and still do, which must mean that the writer has no similarities with her. That writing on her hand was a very neatly staged trick. It made her look very feminine. It was ace the way she tricked media into thinking they had caught her doing something naughty when she was demonstrating how cheap teleprompters can be made and set up and thus reduce taxes. I trust she borrowed the pen.

And a lot of people will be asking for Mrs Palin's input for a long time yet whereas Mr Lahr has nowhere else to go.

Do you think that "a hot-to-trot buck during the rut" and " a “deer-shinin” date with this babe" are his own originalities?

Any plonker can just assert there are similarities between Mrs Palin and that quote without offering any explanation. ros's post was parakeetshit.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 12:23 pm
@Setanta,
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I find the article rather pathetic. Journalists (or op-ed contributors) describing those with whom one disagrees, especially in regard to controversial issues, as intellectual light-weights is both an example of foolishly underestimating one's opposition, and of feeding exactly what one wishes to starve. People who are in doubt about what to think about the evolution versus religion controversy (a chimerical, manufactured controversy) could very well be offended by the tone of such an article, and come to the conclusion that there really is a cultural war going on here. They might begin to believe that a genuine controversy exists, rather than that a controversy has been manufactured to suit the agenda of certain groups.
It's poorly written, too.



I didn't find it pathetic. It was funny. And well written too. A nice sense of humour is displayed. He makes a clever choice for what he says are the blasphemous words. I would have preferred "infusoria" to Darwinism in such a short list.

It was a decent enough read. Far better than anything Setanta could ever cover a blank sheet of paper with.


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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 12:50 pm
@wandeljw,
It was mildly funny , in a way that only an accolyte could I thought it was meant to expand on the mindset of the Creationist youth stuck in the middle of their teaching from home and scinece "Stuff".
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 01:03 pm
@farmerman,
I wish we had a Fleet Farm around here. I need some new snowshoes
 

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