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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What's up with passing the basket ci? It's pretty honest.

Have you ever done it?

Dylan did it for real for a long while.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:43 pm
@spendius,
Nothing wrong with "passing the bucket." It's just that many people are hoodwinked into thinking they're being educated about this planet that isn't true, and give money for misinformation.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:49 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Conference explores Genesis creation story as truth
(By KARI HELTON / The Valley Chronicle / January 22, 2010)

The Answers in Genesis Conference will include speakers Ken Ham and Jason Lisle.


Wow, sounds like quite a show. Those people are in for a real treat Smile


I was thinking that this could fulfill the elective that Aidan was proposing to us a few weeks ago. Smile

(i apologize in advance. i am not trying to be mean to you, aidan.)
rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 05:05 pm
There is nothing wrong with christinaty. The problem is with the PEOPLE who think they have the only right to define it.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 06:53 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
Conference explores Genesis creation story as truth
(By KARI HELTON / The Valley Chronicle / January 22, 2010)

Usually Scientific Conferences schedule any sections in which controversy lies, to be next to each other or are actually "point ;counterpoint" presentations. You know these guys are gonna invite opposing views. The GSA conference in Denver about 10 years ago sponsored a separate symposium on Creation Science and evidence that counters it. It was well attended and was really given coverage . Ken Ham was criticizing it for its "one sidedness". Heres his chance to turn it over and get "Creative".

These type conferences are held every so often and are really nothing more than a summer Bibloe Camp meeting
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 09:00 am
UPDATE ON CREATIONIST SCIENCE TEACHER HEARING
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Long termination hearings not unusual
( Pamela Schehl, Mount Vernon News, January 23, 2010)

MOUNT VERNON " The contract termination hearing for Mount Vernon Middle School teacher John Freshwater has been going on intermittently for more than a year. That, apparently, is not an unusual situation.

Van Keating, director of management services for the Ohio School Boards Association, said contested termination hearings often last more than one year.

He said termination hearings generally fall into one of two groupings " contested and uncontested. It is the uncontested ones that end quickly.

“Quite often,” Keating said, “uncontested terminations result in the teacher resigning before the board actually takes formal action to terminate, thereby saving the teacher the embarrassment of being fired and having that on the record. It also saves the district time and money.

“Contested terminations are the direct opposite,” he continued. “They are costly, time consuming and generate considerable publicity to the detriment of all parties. Contested terminations are legal proceedings and can easily take a year or more to conclude. Witnesses called to testify can vary in numbers, depending on the facts of each situation, but usually quite a few are called on the teacher’s behalf to show what a good person he or she really is and why termination is inappropriate.”

The main goal of witnesses at a hearing, Keating said, is to convince the judge/jury that the school board either violated the technical termination procedure and/or that the board abused its descretion in terminating a teacher.

“I’ve always found the second approach [that the board abused its descretion] more interesting,” said Keating, “because the teacher is, in essence, trying to get someone else to substitute their judgement for the board’s, so it tends to end up being more of an emotional plea than a legal argument.”

Although the Ohio Department of Education provides school districts and the teacher requesting the hearing with a list of names of potential hearing referees, it does not “track” the proceedings and is not always notified of the hearing outcome, according to ODE press secretary Scott Blake. Blake also said ODE does not automatically revoke a teacher’s certification or license based on the termination of a teaching contract. The only automatic revocations, he said, are for criminal convictions.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 09:42 am
@farmerman,
Have you no figures for the sales from the Denver conference all those years ago, as if all progress in sales drives had ceased at that far distant (I need a cobweb metaphor here--one in the top corner of the barn in which an authentic currach is being lovingly constructed etc etc) --long, long ago time.

Brochures, passing the basket--well--placing them on a velvet covered pedestal in the exit hall at about the height of the average pocket, a cod Tibetan bowl, say, --flesh coloured Christs that glow in the dark--stuff enough to give J. Joyce a field day--car parking. Anything that can be thought up to streamline the tried and tested methods of ancient Denver and allowing for new original conjurations as well. The latest advance in the street corner with a cap on the pavement technique.

There's a science of parting people from their hard-earned cash: if you will forgive a little mild flattery intended to ingratiate myself with my readers. It's called Logistics. Which is from the Greek for knowledge (Logos) sticking to the cash. It is cash. The USSC has just ruled on it; seemingly to the President's disgust. Andy Warhol said so.

And at levels above subsistence it works on the pleasure principle. And we are so far above subsistence levels, we on here I mean and those reporting or reading of these important matters, that we have refined catering for the pleasure principle to a point beyond Post Modern which is now, really, in the antique sections. That these activities give pleasure to those attending them makes it right and proper that they should pay for it. Any lady will tell you that. And it is a Lady with a beacon light who greets weary travellers coming to your shores.

As a scientist you ought to be interested in what's going on here not beating your gums out bothering about whether it's right or not. Starting from the fact that it's a Logistical exercise. (see above). And progress is measured objectively by the accountants. You lot are always accusing the Pope of grinding the faces of the poor and ignorant superstitious masses from whom you distance yourself by the accusation and, in doing so, enjoy a slight frisson of pleasure which no real scientist would think it worthy to enjoy. And a frisson of pleasure brought to you by the very conference you are being superior to with your aloof tone. Shame on you. Biting the hand that feeds.

If everybody thought like you you would have nobody to call dipshit and stupid and ignorant and superstitious IDiots and the rest of your wide ranging epithets and all the harbours would be clogged up with authentic currachs come next spring being videoed at their launchings. Then you could only argue about rights of way and best glue or most authentic glue and somesuch.

And it's perfectly voluntary. They enjoy it and they don't mind paying for it. And if it gives them pleasure isn't it normal to think to pass it on to their children. And it isn't surrounded by a barbed wire fence patrolled by dogs.

And CERN wasn't voluntary. And it only gives pleasure to a chosen few who get the cash. The great scientists had to fund their own kit. I bet Einstein had to buy the paper on which he wrote his magical incantations.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 10:41 am
After just seeing President Obama's speech about the USSC I am wondering whether to revise my attitude to court rulings. If you want "beef" there it was. If the USSC has actually done those things the President accused it of there must exist a case for disbanding it.

An ex-Foreign Secretary of ours, in evidence to the Chilcot Enquiry into the war in Iraq, the proceedings of which I am watching as they happen, made an oblique reference to the decision of the USSC to award the presidency to Mr Bush after the hanging-chad fiasco in Florida. His doing so has not been picked up by media as significant.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 10:54 am
@spendius,
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Have you no figures for the sales from the Denver conference all those years ago, as if all progress in sales drives had ceased at that far distant (I need a cobweb metaphor here--one in the top corner of the barn in which an authentic currach is being lovingly constructed etc etc) --long, long ago time.
what is all that about? are you trying to stir up your vat of memory so no one accuses you of senility? Try holding individual thoughts together at least until youve completed them.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 10:56 am
@spendius,
Anything said in the UK is merely "toadying". Noone really pays much attention to your leaders. Gutless twits.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 12:00 pm
@farmerman,
The Assertion wagon comes round the corner and a few barrels fall off and roll away in the dust.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 10:30 am
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Confused Texas Education Board bans kids' author from curriculum
(Traci Shurley, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, January 24, 2010)

What do the authors of the children's book Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See? and a 2008 book called Ethical Marxism: The Categorical Imperative of Liberation have in common?

Both are named Bill Martin and, for now, neither is being added to Texas schoolbooks.

In its haste to sort out the state's social studies curriculum standards this month, the State Board of Education tossed children's author Martin, who died in 2004, from a proposal for the third-grade section. Board member Pat Hardy, R-Weatherford, who made the motion, cited books he had written for adults that contain "very strong critiques of capitalism and the American system."

Trouble is, the Bill Martin Jr. who wrote the Brown Bear series never wrote anything political, unless you count a book that taught kids how to say the Pledge of Allegiance, his friends said. The book on Marxism was written by Bill Martin, a philosophy professor at DePaul University in Chicago.

Bill Martin Jr.'s name would have been included on a list with author Laura Ingalls Wilder and artist Carmen Lomas Garza as examples of individuals who would be studied for their cultural contributions.

Hardy said she was trusting the research of another board member, Terri Leo, R-Spring, when she made her motion and comments about Martin's writing. Leo had sent her an e-mail alerting her to Bill Martin Jr.'s listing on the Borders .com Web site as the author of Ethical Marxism. Leo's note also said she hadn't read the book.

"She said that that was what he wrote, and I said: ' ... It's a good enough reason for me to get rid of someone,' " said Hardy, who has complained vehemently about the volume of names being added to the curriculum standards.

In an e-mail exchange, Leo said she planned to make a motion to replace Bill Martin and sent Hardy a list of possible alternatives. Hardy said she thought she was doing what Leo wanted when she made the motion.

Leo, however, said she wasn't asking Hardy to make any motions. She said she didn't do any "research."

"Since I didn't check it out, I wasn't about to make the motion," Leo said, adding that she never meant for her "FYI" e-mail to Hardy to be spoken about in a public forum.

Hardy said that her interest was in paring down that list and she didn't mean to offend anyone.

For some, however, the mix-up is an indicator of a larger problem with the way the elected board members have approached the update of state curriculum standards.

Board members will take up social studies standards again in March. They plan a final vote on updates in May.

Hardy's motion is "a new low in terms of the group that's supposed to represent education having such faulty research and making such a false leap without substantiating what they're doing," said Michael Sampson, Martin's co-author on 30 children's books.

The social studies standards update, which started last spring when groups of educators met to suggest revisions, has brought criticism from the right and the left about politicizing the process. As trustees worked their way through a draft this month, political ideas like imperialism, communism and free enterprise were at the heart of some of the changes.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 11:24 am
@wandeljw,
That reminds me of that scene from Donnie Darko where the school board is trying to censor a book by Graham Greene and a teacher from the audience calls out to the lady on stage, "Do you even know who Graham Greene is?", and the lady scoffs back at her, "of course I do, we've ALL seen Bonanza".
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 12:27 pm
@rosborne979,
There a lot of ladies in the last two posts.

I Googled Ms Leo. Very nice. Really winsome smile.

Ladies are fond of spats.

As everybody must know by now I put Mr Obama's victory down to ladies.

Do you know how to ensure that a lady passes her exams?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 01:33 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Do you know how to ensure that a lady passes her exams?


......by grading on curves
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 02:02 pm
@wandeljw,
...and stats of those curves.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2010 02:55 pm
Oh no. It's cramming courses in one-on-one tutorials. Or field work looking for fossils, excavating ancient ruins, measuring ozone levels, or somesuch.

I would suggest somebody wrote a book about it if there were not so many already.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2010 10:15 am
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Ministry Urges Churches to Celebrate Creation Sunday, Not Evolution Sunday
(Christian Newswire, January 26, 2010)

CreationLetter.com is urging churches to celebrate Creation Sunday this February 14th to counter the Clergy Letter Project's Evolution Sunday, scheduled on the same date.

As the Year of Darwin comes to a close and we enter the Post-Darwin Century, CreationLetter.com is renewing its efforts to answer the challenge the Clergy Letter Project represents to the plain, traditional interpretation of Genesis.

Since 2004, the Clergy Letter Project has been recruiting ministers as evolution advocates, promoting the idea that "religious truth is of a different order than scientific truth," echoing an unBiblical notion popularized by the late Stephen J Gould: non-overlapping magisteria, or NOMA.

"Jesus refuted the concept of NOMA in John 3:12," notes CreationLetter.com founder Rev. Tony Breeden, "when He pointedly asked Nicodemus, 'If I've told you of earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell ye of spiritual things?' How can you trust the Bible for spiritual things like the Gospel for salvation when you can't trust what Genesis says about earthly things like biology, geology and so on? The Bible isn't a science textbook, but if we can't trust it when it speaks on science, when can we trust it?"

Nevertheless, the Clergy Letter has a list of over 12,000 ministers who affirm that evolution is true while the Genesis record is a teaching myth like Aesop's Fables.

"We don't follow cleverly devised fables. The plain meaning of Genesis is clear: supernatural creation in six calendar days. It's sad when ministers compromise the authority of God's revealed Word in favor of man's fallible opinions. So-called science advocacy [read: evolution enforcement] groups use those 12,000 clergy signatures to allege that Christians need have no problem with evolution. Yet statistics demonstrate that most children who are taught evolution as scientific fact go on to reject religious truth wholesale," states Rev. Breeden. "That's a real concern. Nobody thinks of eternity when they preach Darwin from our pulpits on an Evolution Sunday."

CreationLetter.com provides an opportunity for Christians to answer this challenge to Biblical authority and the foundational basis of the Gospel. Visitors can sign a Creation Letter affirming the historical veracity of a literal Genesis. They'll also find information on how to celebrate Creation Sunday this February 14th in place of the Clergy Letter's Evolution Sunday.

CreationLetter.com is a ministry of DefendingGenesis.org.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2010 11:18 am
@wandeljw,
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Yet statistics demonstrate that most children who are taught evolution as scientific fact go on to reject religious truth wholesale," states Rev. Breeden. "That's a real concern. Nobody thinks of eternity when they preach Darwin from our pulpits on an Evolution Sunday


...and whose fault is this ? Science is silent about its spiritual connections, but religion loudly tris to teach its own brand of myth based science.

When something preached froma pulpit can be shown to be incorrect with just the meagerest heap of evidence, why must science make an excuse for being right? Doncha love how the religious worldviewists try to avert attention from their own idiocy ?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2010 11:23 am
@farmerman,
They think double negatives makes a positive; 1) they can't prove any god exists, and 2) challenge science rather than speak to the weakness of creation. LOL
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