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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:57 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

To attack Christianity is to attack our science in its foundation.

So if Christianity was gone, science wouldn't work anymore?

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:30 am
@Diest TKO,
It's attacking Pope Splendious XXX's version of Christianity and his version of science, both quirky, arcane busy-body philosophies that defies explanation, mostly by PS XXX himself.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:24 pm
@Diest TKO,
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So if Christianity was gone, science wouldn't work anymore?


Science in the sense that it is an endless conversation about the world conducted by disinterested but keen human intelligences will always exist if the human race continues to exist.

But it is a very hypothetical question whether Christianity would be "gone" in any realistic time frame.

Would you like it to be gone TK? Or, what is more to the point, would you campaign for it to be gone and what would you put in its place if anything?

Would you expunge the record of it from history? How would you make it "gone"? If evolution theory is any guide it will fade away un-noticed when it has fulfilled its usefulness just as a fin does when it metamorphosises into a wing. I've explained why Christianity is a biologically driven evolutionary adaptation which will thus change when it suits it rather than when somebody says so.

I'm sorry if you think a fish could have said "I want my fins to become wings" and lo and behold flew away and settled in a tree for the night where it could nod off instead of having to keep swimming. And took its family with it and some friends to get round the incest regulations.

I made that daft on purpose to show you how daft your question is because you are wanting Christianity to be gone, I gather, otherwise forget this debate unless you have it with people more stupid than I am, right there on your desk, at your fingertips, with no wings to offer and no way of getting there and not even knowing where "there" is. And, moreover, not knowing whether "there" will still be there when you plan to get there. Like when you miss a duck from two paces because of how fast it waddled past and spray your great-great grandmother's portrait, in oils of course, with buckshot. Bearing in mind that she had waggled her bustle to such effect that her descendents were well provided for even if they were going to squander it before it got to you.

You do have eight great-great grandmothers. There's a fair chance one of them hit the jackpot in the great boom. And had her portrait painted in the old European style with Rembrandt tones and looking like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. Wishing you all well. Clasping a Bible in a frail white hand holding a rosary. You blew that away and the duck zoomed off. And you shot the fire full of holes as well with the CANTMISS cartridges.

It's a bit far fetched but it could have happened. Therefore Henry Fielding would have approved and that's good enough for me.

So I answered your question and I hope I taught you not to ask such silly questions. For your sake I mean.

It shows you don't understand science, evolution theory, materialist theory or Christianity but --hey--eh TK--you get by okay--no sweat. I used to do it myself.

BTW--are you coming over to see Queenie again. She has invited you. I'm looking forward to advising you on how to take better pictures of her and more befitting a mystical Pagan Queen of the Order of the Pentacle.

Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:28 pm
@spendius,
One does not have to campaign for Christianity to end. It simply will happen. It is but the flavor of the week, and over time will be replaced with some other flavor of the week pain in the ass for science.

Thanks for the ultra wordy answer that basically said what I thought: Science will continue to develop after Christianity, just like it developed prior to it.

There isn't anything special about Christianity.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:45 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest wrote:
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There isn't anything special about Christianity.


Hate to disagree with you, friend, but there are many things special about Christianity. For one, some country's religion is based on this religion. For another, many humans across this planet pray to their christian god. Many in the US try to change the laws of this country to push their religion into our schools, and their advocacy to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

Yeah, they are special, but in a negative way.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The difference between biosciences and "christianity" is

Bioscience asserts that humans developed to fit the environment, whereas Christianity asserts that the environment was developed to fit humans.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:58 pm
@farmerman,
They wouldn't be able to prove that premise based on history and Haiti.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 02:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
(((?)))
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 02:37 pm
UPDATE ON LAWSUIT AGAINST UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
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University can reject Christian courses, Calif. court rules
(by Adelle M. Banks, Religion News Service, January 15, 2010)

The University of California has the right to reject courses taught at Christian high schools, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday (Jan. 12).

Calvary Chapel Christian School in Murrieta, Calif., and the Association of Christian Schools International claimed the university's review policy was unconstitutional because it refused to certify courses that taught creationism and other beliefs.

"The district court correctly determined that UC's rejections of the Calvary courses were reasonable and did not constitute viewpoint discrimination," the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.

Students from private schools must meet certain high-school requirements before they are eligible to apply to an undergraduate campus of the University of California.

The court ruled that evidence in the case failed to show that the university was discriminating on the basis of religion.

"UC's policy and its individual course decisions are not based on religion, but on whether a high school course is college preparatory," the three-judge panel ruled.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 02:42 pm
@Diest TKO,
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There isn't anything special about Christianity.


Well--it looks like there is to me.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 02:51 pm
@Diest TKO,
I don't know that any of my Christian friends and relatives have anything but a passing interest in the religion. They might go to church on Easter and Christmas. My niece is Catholic but live with her spouse for a year before getting married, alienated from her father (not all his fault as my nephew was very close to him). Christianity has basically stood still in time except for making concessions on sins necessary to keep people in the church. Science is continually progressing and always has -- only regressive minds believe Christianity has anything at all to do with it. Christianity has and always will have a basic plan of undermining science -- especially medical science, like dubbing drugs which cure diseases as "miracle" drugs. To claim science is a product of any scientific knowledge is ludicrous and Medieval bullshit.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 03:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Yeah, they are special, but in a negative way.


Anybody would think that it's only Christianity which pushes its message into schools and discriminates against homosexual men and lesbians. And anyway it is people who do those things. And it's a stretch to call it discrimination in these enlightened days. I daresay some atheists discriminate against them. In fact I'm not at all sure that Christianity does discriminate against lesbians. And it's discrimination against homosexual men is not very loud.

Christianity discriminates against a lot of things. Why are you obsessed with those matters? Why do such trivialities outweigh in your mind the benefits Christianity has brought.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 03:03 pm
@spendius,
Name us some benefits wrought by christianity?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 03:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Don't be silly ci.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 08:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Diest wrote:
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There isn't anything special about Christianity.


Hate to disagree with you, friend, but there are many things special about Christianity. For one, some country's religion is based on this religion. For another, many humans across this planet pray to their christian god. Many in the US try to change the laws of this country to push their religion into our schools, and their advocacy to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

Yeah, they are special, but in a negative way.

It's still not special. Other religions are doing the same thing.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:13 pm
@Diest TKO,
We are talking about christianity aren't we?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 02:45 pm
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Conference explores Genesis creation story as truth
(By KARI HELTON / The Valley Chronicle / January 22, 2010)

Calvary Chapel in San Jacinto will host a conference Sunday and Monday that explores creationism.

The Answers in Genesis Conference will include speakers Ken Ham and Jason Lisle. Ham is founder and president of Answers in Genesis USA. The organization emphasizes a literal interpretation of the Bible’s Book of Genesis and states the universe is about 6,000 years old.

Lisle is creationist astrophysicist with Answers in Genesis USA.

Ham will give the sermon at each of Calvary Chapel’s regular Sunday service times: 7:30 a.m., 9:15 a.m., 11 a.m., and 5 p.m. The theme of his talk is “Not Ashamed: Standing on Biblical Authority Beginning With Genesis.”

The evening service will be extended to include a second message at 6:30, when Lisle will discuss “The Ultimate Proof of God.”

On Monday, Ham will give talks geared for children. At 9 a.m., he will discuss “Dinosaurs for Kids” for children in kindergarten through sixth grade.

At 11 a.m., he will talk to seventh- through 12-graders on “Not Ashamed: Defending the Christian Faith Biblically and Scientifically.”

Students and parents are welcome to attend the morning sessions.

At 6 p.m. Ham will discuss “Not Ashamed: How to Reach the Secularized World With the Gospel.”

Lisle will conclude the conference at 7:30 p.m. with a talk on creation astronomy.

Admission to the conference is free.

Calvary Chapel is at 1450 W. Seventh St.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:12 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Conference explores Genesis creation story as truth
(By KARI HELTON / The Valley Chronicle / January 22, 2010)

The Answers in Genesis Conference will include speakers Ken Ham and Jason Lisle.


Wow, sounds like quite a show. Those people are in for a real treat Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:14 pm
@rosborne979,
They'll be passing the basket around for donations. I just wonder if any scientist will be allowed to q&a at this event?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 04:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

They'll be passing the basket around for donations. I just wonder if any scientist will be allowed to q&a at this event?

What scientist would want to answer questions at an event like that? I don't think for one moment that anyone would be listening to the answers.
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