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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 06:17 am
@spendius,
For some reason spwndi appears to want to deny simple factual reporting masked as an editorial.

What is the psychosomatic realm spendi. Is it a place where all hypochondriacs live? Or is it some place from a large "roll playing" game that you frequent with the other trolls?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 06:49 am
@farmerman,
You know what it is effemm. You're just being coy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 06:51 am
@spendius,
You are engaged in the art of neologistic constructions and you do it so often that you dont bring the readers along so NO, Im not familiar with the concept. Splain.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 06:57 am
@farmerman,
You surely don't expect me to explain something as complex as the PR in a sound bite. Forget mind/body dualism. Your body doesn't want to grind away with tools at an out of date boat.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 07:09 am
@spendius,
then there is the annoyance of you mixing your metaphors in a pattern that is selcted only to burrow.
Sometimes a spokeshave is all that is needed.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 09:08 am
@farmerman,
As PSXXX backpedals to the pub, we're left that psychosomatic means evolution gives him a a pain in the ass that is actually from the wooden bar stool. (It's upside down, idiot).
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:03 am
Quote:
Creationist refutes Darwin’s evolutionary theory at presentation
(By Tanya Tandon, WVU Student Newspaper, November 4, 2009)

According to a presentation held Tuesday at West Virginia University, evolutionist Charles Darwin did not know geology, biology, or Jesus.

Dr. Robert Carter, has a doctorate in marine biology and is currently the head speaker and scientist for Creation Ministries International (USA) in Atlanta, Ga., gave a presentation listing in detail what Darwin did not know at that time. Carter argued evolution theory, therefore, cannot be held as the true explanation of the history of the natural world.

Among those present were pastors from local churches, professors, students, Morgantown residents and families. Members from several missionary groups at WVU came as well.

"It is really comforting to know that there are people like him who talk about all these views that are held by people who are not ignorant and smart," said Evan Falkenstine, a senior business major.

Dr. Carter, in his freshman year of college, was exposed to creationism for the first time and soon after adopted it as his modus operandi. He says he felt a tremendous joy when he realized that his science and his religion were no longer at odds.

"I see evolution as the primary stumbling block for people accepting the Gospel," Carter said, noting that this is one of his main goals when speaking on creationism in public.

He also feels morally obligated to research and spread awareness about what creationism supporters believe.

"People who are not Christian are in a very bad state after they die, and I don’t want to see them in that state," he said.

Junius Lewis, pastor of the Greater Love Outreach Family Church, said he was very happy WVU allowed this event to take place and that Carter used very good scientific citations to support his theory.

Carter held several other sessions Tuesday. Lectures covered the credibility of creationism, the valid role genetics plays in the bible and a film on Darwin’s voyage was shown.

Not all in attendance agreed with Carter. Some thought that his argument was one-sided, criticizing Darwin without providing an alternative to the problems in evolution theory.

"He talked about how Darwin was not a Christian, and I feel for creationism to be true, one should be able to come to the conclusion without having to be religious about it," said Dominic Contreras, a junior political science major.

Jim Eakins, a junior physics major, pointed out during the question and answer session a percentage that was presented wrong in the lecture and was critical of Carter’s scientific argument.

"I thought there was a lot of pseudo-scientific argument in the lecture, and I don’t know how accurate he was in a lot of things that he referenced and cited," he said.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:31 am
@wandeljw,
Id love to hear Carter when he comes around to harangue the beloved at some Baptist church fellowship hall's annual ANTI SCIENCE Seminar
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:32 am
@Lightwizard,
From Wiki--

Quote:
Psychosomatic medicine is an interdisciplinary medical field studying the relationships of social, psychological, and behavioral factors on bodily processes and well-being in humans and other animals. The influence that the mind has over physical processes including the manifestations of physical disabilities that are based on intellectual infirmities, rather than actual injuries or physical limitations, are manifest in phrases such as the power of suggestion, the use of "positive thinking" and concepts like "mind over matter".

The academic forebear of the modern field of behavioral medicine and a part of the practice of consultation-liaison psychiatry. Psychosomatic medicine integrates interdisciplinary evaluation and management involving diverse specialties including psychiatry, psychology, neurology, surgery, allergy, dermatology and psychoneuroimmunology. Clinical situations where mental processes act as a major factor affecting medical outcomes are areas where psychosomatic medicine has competence.


The psychosomatic realm is the theatre which this medical discipline studies and is not to be confused with it.

Church services and religious beliefs are methods of addressing the inner processes taking place within the psychosomatic realm. So also are sports, theatrical productions and art generally.

Science programmes on movie screens use music and colour in a similar way that religious ceremonials do. Even politicians take care of colour in their set speeches. Blue being the most popular to help lull the audience into the correct frame of mind.

Established religions have very elaborate and evolved systems in this respect as do cults and even expensive brothels. So also supermarkets. And restaurants.

The materialist has nothing to say on the matter because to admit that it is effective for physical and mental health destroys his whole position unless materialism can provide competitive alternatives.


farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:39 am
@spendius,
I think we are all aware of "Psychosomatic medicine" and the definition as presented in that quote. However, Im having a difficult time understanding how you have linked the phrase to cover the disciplines within this thread.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:47 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Id love to hear Carter when he comes around to harangue the beloved at some Baptist church fellowship hall's annual ANTI SCIENCE Seminar


What surprised me about the news story is that West Virginia has a university.

(sorry for the bad joke)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 10:49 am
@spendius,
Wrong conclusions! Religion is based on culture and language, and has nothing to do with "psychosomatic medicine." The primary instinct for all animals is survival. That's the reason why all animals have sexual instincts; to perpetuate the species. All the "specialties" you have listed come under the heading of "human evolution."

spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 11:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's the reason why all animals have sexual instincts; to perpetuate the species.


But we, and I even include you ci., are not animals and if our sexual instinct only served the purpose of perpetuating the species there would be an alarming number of people and a lot of very long faces.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 11:56 am
@spendius,
You probably haven't noticed the increase in the human population during the past 100 years. We're now over 6 billion and still growing at an alarming rate.

Quote:
YEAR WORLD POPULATION (in millions, estimated)

1650 500
1700 600
1750 700
1800 900
1850 1300
1900 1700
1950 2500
1976 4000
2000 7000


http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/images/pop1world.gif
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm speaking of Malthusian alarming rates where predators and starvation restore the balance usually.

You're no expert on evolution ci. Nor are you an expert at comprehension.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:31 pm
@spendius,
There's always starvation, but the human population continues its upward growth. You are dense!
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:45 pm
@farmerman,
They don't exist -- he made it up in his addled head. I tried to Google "psychosomatic realm" and came up with not such combination with any accompanying explanation. Again, PSXXX has his own private dictionary in his head consisting of a combination of screwy metaphors and mangled semantics. Psychosomatic is the relation of mind to body and has very little to do, if nothing at all, with evolution or the supernatural. BS(sic)XXX would like us to believe his convoluted explanation but if submitted in a classroom, this dyspeptic explanation would be graded as just a nauseous essay by the desperate. D- (there's a teensy-weensy small spec of truth there but it's lost in the rhetoric of brain diarrhea.

farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:47 pm
@Lightwizard,
I think that he thinks hes James Joyce
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:49 pm
@farmerman,
Big difference; I understand what James Joyce has written.

James Joyce:
Quote:
“I am tomorrow, or some future day, what I establish today. I am today what I established yesterday or some previous day.”
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 12:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Starvation is nature gone awry and a socio-political concern -- it also has little to do with evolution (unless it wiped out an entire race). Trying to suppose the impossible might be fun for a pub-induced stupor but it means nothing to the rest of us.
 

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