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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 09:30 am
@Lightwizard,
what happened to Corbett? is he even still teaching? A lot of these cases result in the original defendent just leaving the profession and taking a hike. The followup in Dover is that at least two of the teachers have left teaching in disgust , dwspite the result and the fact trhat the judges opinion was affirmed in district
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 10:45 am
@farmerman,
May of this year is the latest article indicating he is still teaching:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/corbett-class-religion-2402308-people-kids

I am still dis-favorable towards some of his language, not that he is criticizing the whacky clergy of the Middle Ages -- high from too much of something stronger than the communion wine, more likely the various liquors they concocted. Just like a salesperson who uses the hard selling techniques -- you can make a deal without a hammer.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 10:52 am
Here's the little right wing weasel plaintiff:

http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/2009/10/16/b78561966z120091016213334000g5dk9ps81_md.jpg

Capistrano Valley High School student Chad Farnan, 17, speaks at a campaign fundraiser for Shawn Black, a GOP candidate for the 70th Assembly District, at the Irvine Marriott hotel Friday night. Black's campaign characterizes Farnan as one of Orange County's leading conservative youths.

Link to article in OC Register:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/farnan-corbett-high-2611945-teacher-former

Is he trying to set himself to follow in Sarah Palin's footsteps for a talk show or other journalistic pursuits?
Remember, Sarah's degree is in journalism, a dead give-away. It had to happen -- a satire on her book "Going Rogue" (as in shark):

"Going Rouge"

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2310139/new_parody_book_going_rouge_lampoons.html?cat=38

It's all boiling down to smelly political opportunism.

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 11:00 am
Sarah Pain-in-the-ass is as fickle with colleges as she is in politics:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/palin-attended-5-colleges_n_124036.html

You think she can become governor of five states, never fulfilling her commitment?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 02:15 pm
@Lightwizard,
YEH, my feelings exactly(regarding Corbetts big yap). Hes a K-12 version of DAWKINS.

Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 03:06 pm
@farmerman,
I would have been embarrassed for any professor who would interject that kind of rhetoric into a science class. My American history professor was rather blunt about the ridiculous, almost goofy, high school presentations -- he especially (this was twenty years before Gore Vidal's "Lincoln") exposed the overdone adoration of Abe.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 03:28 pm
@Lightwizard,
Crikey--Wiz must be in his mid-sixties.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 24 Oct, 2009 05:34 pm
@spendius,
...and you must be in your teens.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 09:25 am
@cicerone imposter,
More like pre-teens, just barely this side of a chimpanzee who meets with other chimpanzees in an e(xl)usive literary club to figure out what great writings mean, unable to comprehend them himself.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 05:09 am
UK UPDATE
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Teach both evolution and creationism say 54% of Britons
(Jessica Shepherd, The Guardian, 25 October 2009)

More than half of British adults think that intelligent design and creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schoolscience lessons " a proportion higher than in the US.

An Ipsos Mori survey questioned 11,768 adults from 10 countries on how the theory of evolution should be taught in school science lessons.

About 54% of the 973 polled Britons agreed with the view: "Evolutionary theories should be taught in science lessons in schools together with other possible perspectives, such as intelligent design and creationism."

In the US, of 991 adults responding to the survey, which was organised by the British Council, 51% agreed that evolution should be on the curriculum alongside other theories, like intelligent design.

Across the 10 countries, 43% agreed with this statement.

It was found that Britons were almost three times more likely than Egyptians to want creationism and intelligent design to be included in the teaching of evolution.

Creationism holds that the origins of humanity and the Earth are recent and divine, as related in the book of Genesis. Strict creationists believe Adam and Eve are the mother and father of humanity and that God created the Earth in six days. Advocates of intelligent design argue that some features of the universe and nature are so complex they must have been designed by a higher intelligence.

The UK government has been quick to denounce creationism and intelligent design as unrecognised scientific theory that did not meet the requirements of the national curriculum, but it has said that young people can "discuss creationism as part of their religious education classes".

Neither the primary nor secondary school science curriculums mention creationism or intelligent design.

Prominent scientists and teaching unions have expressed shock at the poll's findings.

Lewis Wolpert, emeritus professor of biology at University College London (UCL), who is vice-president of the British Humanist Association, said: "I am appalled. It shows how ignorant the public is. Intelligent design and creationism have no connection with science and are purely religious concepts. There is no evidence for them at all. They must be kept out of science lessons."

Steve Jones, professor of genetics at UCL, said: "This shows the danger of religions being allowed to buy schools, hijack lessons and pretend that they have anything useful to say about science " which, by definition, they do not. The figure seems much too high, although no doubt there is a substantial minority that does think this."

Christine Blower, acting general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: "It would be wholly wrong to include creationism in the science curriculum. An overwhelming body of evidence, not assertion, supports the concept of evolution and therefore evolution must form the basis of the science curriculum. Consideration of creationism might not be out of place in religious education."

Teachers were not expressing concern that they were under pressure to teach creationism and intelligent design, teaching unions said.

The National Secular Society said schools should "ban religious explanations in science lessons", adding that the creationist movement was becoming "more vocal".

But Alison Ryan, policy adviser of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers Union, said that if a "good teacher handled the lesson", presenting creationism and intelligent design need not be problematic. "Science teachers could introduce creationism as a theory that some people hold, but that is not based on evidence."

Andy McIntosh, professor of thermodynamics and combustion theory at Leeds University, said: "There is room for any scientific position which isn't necessarily from an evolutionary base. We need to follow where the evidence leads and we shouldn't presuppose that the evidence will necessary lead to a naturalistic or materialistic explanation. We must be open to the possibility that information can come from a higher intelligence, but we mustn't assume that."

Fern Elsdon-Baker, head of the British Council's Darwin Now programme, which celebrates the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birthday this year, said the poll raised a debate about how effectively evolutionary science was communicated both inside and outside the classroom.

She said: "Overall these results may reflect the need for a more sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works as a process."
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:00 am
@wandeljw,
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It was found that Britons were almost three times more likely than Egyptians to want creationism and intelligent design to be included in the teaching of evolution.


Having seen some Egyptians in non-touristy settings I can well believe that. One might arrange one's life satisfactorily doing the opposite of what Egyptians did when I wor a lad.

Quote:
Lewis Wolpert, emeritus professor of biology at University College London (UCL), who is vice-president of the British Humanist Association, said: "I am appalled. It shows how ignorant the public is. Intelligent design and creationism have no connection with science and are purely religious concepts. There is no evidence for them at all. They must be kept out of science lessons."


Thanks for the tittering fit wande. Great minds think alike eh? It just goes to show what exalted intellectual company anti-IDers are comfartable in. One feels any one of them could easily have been heard to say that, hopefully avoiding the solecism "at all". One might feel that an "altogether" at the end would at least have been consistent.

I hope Jessica felt as suitably validated when her editor beamed his approval at her strenuous efforts as anti-IDers no doubt will upon perusing them.

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:30 am
@spendius,
So you agree that ID and Creationism should be taught in secondary schoolscience? You seem to endorse that POV.

Its always safe adhering to the opinions of the masses, for they wont string you up as a heretic, nor will they question your scientific objectivity. Why , with your mind so nobly open, your mouth can disgorge both evolution theory and CREATION "SCIENCE".

The more you appear to make this public show as a contrarian, the more you actually sound like a closet Creationist.

VOX PAPULLI



spendius
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:49 am
@farmerman,
I endorse whatever it is the authorities decide because I think they have done an excellent job so far. It is not out of fear but because my conceit does not run as far as thinking I could do better.

It is noticeable that you lot haven't been strung up as heretics yet and heretics you indubitably are. But I admire your obvious need to feel unsafe.

And it is a foundation principle of democracy that the masses are the authorities.

We are not likely to be well served by a bunch of "holed-up in their secure office" Marxists and fellow travellers handing out leaflets and not taking questions.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:13 am
@spendius,
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I endorse whatever it is the authorities decide because I think they have done an excellent job so far. It is not out of fear but because my conceit does not run as far as thinking I could do better.
ASo, today you are on the side of big government, I see. WIth opinions like that, noone would have invented the light bulb , let alone television.
I have to asdmit, that opening statement of your last post, may show up as a "Sig line worthy of further consideration"
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:21 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
WIth opinions like that, noone would have invented the light bulb , let alone television.


That's bilge. Pump it overboard.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:28 am
@spendius,
If you would have listened to Lord KElvin, we would have stopped all research in the 1870"s
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 08:18 am
@farmerman,
We should have let the British Mobocracy invent and design everything, like the camel -- a horse designed by a committee.

What country is this that "strings up" heretics? We have a left-over of the Spanish Inquisition on our forum and finally a likeness of what he must look like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Torquemada.jpg
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Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:38 pm


Interestingly, this battle IS being drawn down the same political/religious lines as before... The Catholic church seems to have learned it's lesson from the whole Galileo fiasco.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 01:01 pm
@Ceili,
In the comments on the YouTube wall, this IDiotic statement from a year ago:


eclecticshaman (1 year ago)
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if evolution is correct and all animals branched down slowly from one single cell. slowly separating the types of animals as billions of years pass. then how did we end up with a platypus, with the gentetic makeup of all three, a bird, reptile and mammal? almost like it was just created that way...
Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 01:14 pm
@Lightwizard,
I mostly ignore the comments on youtube. Kinda like some of the comments here, written by people with nothing intelligent to add to the conversation, blokes who just want to make noise. Wink
 

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