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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:07 pm


Everytime our president talks about his god -- I get irked. ("Pissed"is the word I would have used.)

Every goddam time!

-Frank Apisa, July 2003
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:08 pm
@Lightwizard,
I know that. I've been told often enough.

It has no bearing, however, on whether your last post was ridiculous or not. If it was ridiculous to an idiot it must have been really ridiculous. Which it was.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:11 pm
@Lightwizard,
Quote:
Everytime our president talks about his god -- I get irked.


Do you really think he would have been elected, or even a candidate, if he had declared that there was no God?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:11 pm
Idiots are without question not viable as judges as to what is or isn't ridiculous. That's what is ridiculous.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:14 pm
@Lightwizard,
"Viable" is an unsuitable word in the context. It is a biological term. And whatever else I am I am most certainly viable. For now at least.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 06:12 pm
@Lightwizard,
We've gone over this same territory and recently, so I guess the brew is erasing your memory -- it's called Alcoholic Alzheimers.

Main Entry: vi·a·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈvī-ə-bəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French, from Middle French, from vie life, from Latin vita " more at vital
Date: circa 1832

1 : capable of living; especially : having attained such form and development as to be normally capable of surviving outside the mother's womb <a viable fetus>
2 : capable of growing or developing <viable seeds> <viable eggs>
3 a : capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately <viable alternatives> b : capable of existence and development as an independent unit <the colony is now a viable state> c (1) : having a reasonable chance of succeeding <a viable candidate> (2) : financially sustainable <a viable enterprise>
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 06:13 pm
Again, and for the last time, PSXXX is not viable as a judge. If he want's to construe that as not living, so be it.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 07:32 am
@Lightwizard,
You'll say anything but your prayers Wiz.

Every organism is a judge. You just want to be the only judge. And lay your verdict on everybody else's ass.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 08:54 am
Creationists continue to argue that evolution contradicts "the second law of thermodynamics." A Colorado newspaper published a letter responding to this old argument:

Quote:
Entropy and evolution not in conflict
(by Peter Schmidt, Durango Herald Letter to the editor, October 19, 2009)

I’m responding to the part of Dick Carmack’s letter (Herald, Oct. 7) about evolution contradicting the second law of thermodynamics, bringing increased complexity and order to Earth’s life instead of the increase in entropy (disorder) predicted by the second law.

This law refers to the use of energy in a closed system and means there’s no such thing as a perpetual machine that eventually won’t run down. It also can be expressed as order eventually degenerating into disorder " a trend evolution seems to reverse as it produces complexity from simpler forms. But there’s no contradiction with the law for several reasons.

Life on Earth isn’t a closed system as long as the sun shines energy onto it that’s converted to food. That eventually will end, though, when the sun’s finite supply of nuclear fuel burns up and the whole solar system runs down. Also, the complexity produced by evolution doesn’t come free and clear; it’s paid for by destruction going with it.

Evolutionary change occurs through chance mutations that become successful after passing the test of natural selection. For every one of these successful mutations, there are thousands of harmful ones that get nowhere and can cause death. The rise of a new, successful animal also usually means the extinction of competing creatures, even of its parent stock.

The evolution leading to modern life has been accompanied by lots of this carnage, offsetting the decrease in entropy represented by the survivors. It’s easy to be unaware of what it’s taken to get us here.

The rest of Carmack’s letter doesn’t apply to evolution, which only deals with what happened after life on Earth was established, not its origin.

What’s behind it all is in the realm of religion. There’s no contradiction there either, and I doubt if there ever will be.

The theory of evolution involves chemistry, physics and biology, and is an inseparable part of science. None of this should be mixed with religion in our schools any more than classes in religion should teach quantum mechanics and general relativity.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 09:11 am
@wandeljw,
That tired old argument they hope the uneducated will swallow hook, line and sinker is proof positive how many outright dummies are walking the earth.

No, I am not a proctologist, so PSXXX will have to perform a self examination with one of his collection of dildoes.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 01:57 pm
@Lightwizard,
Same old trick Wiz. Calling others uneducated as if that proves you are educated. Educated people laugh, some snigger, when they see that sort of self flattery on one erg.

You're not even slightly educated by my standards and I'm not so hot.

You don't even know what this debate is about and it's quite obvious you never will. Which is probably a good thing I'll admit.

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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 03:29 pm
Scientists on the BBC's Horizon Show demonstrated tonight that we don't have free will. How did de Sade know that over 200 years ago? He used a very similar argument too.

You're not choosing to be atheists at all. You only think you are. Your neurons are in charge. As they are with the kids in the schools.

I suppose it must be an evolutionary mechanism to protect us from the dangers of rationality and logic.

It's on i-player if you can get it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 04:13 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Scientists on the BBC's Horizon Show demonstrated tonight that we don't have free will
. QED, gotta give it to the BEEB.
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 04:55 pm
An excellent ariticle in the springs edition of Intelligent Life, an off shoot of the Economist.
You can read the entire article on the genome project at:
http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/jm-ledgard/exodus


Quote:
Cavalli-Sforza’s “The History and Geography of Human Genes”, written with Paolo Menozzi and Alberto Piazza (Princeton University Press, 1994), is still considered the best overview of genetic diversity in humans. Cavalli-Sforza demolished the idea of there being different species of human being. No more Homo afer, asiaticus, europaeus, americanus and monstrous. Race, says Cavalli-Sforza, has hardly any useful biological meaning at all. It is about adaptation. Grain-eaters between the Baltic and Black Sea got pale skin, pale eyes and pale hair because they were under selective pressure to process more Vitamin D from limited sunlight. Lewontin, Wells’s other mentor, posited that if a nuclear war struck and only the Kenyan Kikuyu survived, they would still have 85% of the genetic variation of mankind; with a similar history and conditions, they too would turn blond and blue-eyed under the northern sun.


I found this paragraph very interesting.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 04:56 pm
@farmerman,
Yeah--it's good innit?

Imagine all those women in soft furnishings are actually on auto-pilot.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 05:07 pm
@Ceili,
These evolution threads Ceili are the cyber equivalent of the tradition that demands that the ladies retire from the dining room once the port and cigars are passed around. That tradition evolved.

And for the benefit of ladies. What else are we men here for if it is not the benefit of ladies.

In ancient classical societies an exception was sometimes made for experienced courtesans but it didn't work out.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 05:34 pm
@spendius,
spendi, You wouldn't/couldn't understand the theory of evolution if your life depended on it, so give up already.

This thread is not about social practice of England.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 05:41 pm
Spendi, go **** yourself. Is that lady enough for ya.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 07:09 pm
Well, to add another diversion -- Saturn at equinox from Cassini:

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/saturn_10_19/s01_PIA11667.jpg

Link to more shots including some of the moons:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/10/saturn_at_equinox.html

Now my desktop background!
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 20 Oct, 2009 07:12 pm
@Ceili,
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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