The 2008 Democrat Convention

@Lash,

I think that they will be spectacularly unsuccessful with their attempts, though the commercials sure are funny.

Cycloptichorn

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@cicerone imposter,

If they hadn't planned to go hard tonight...I think the opinions reflected by your post---that are now permeating the media...will make tonight a hard-boiled night, CI! Glad to see you here!

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@Lash,

I can't wait for Obama's speech...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw

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@Lash,

I'm pretty sure that the plan all along was to have Hillary go hard neg tonight. She can do it well. It will be effective at whipping up support with both moderates and her hold-out voters. She will begin by talking about the struggle of women and segue into talking about how poor McCain's record on women is. If she's really smart, she'll remind folks that McCain has made derogatory jokes about Chelsea Clinton, and that he called his wife a c*nt, and that he agreed that Hillary was a 'bitch.' She'll point out that McCain is pro-life, not pro choice. That he has voted against women's issues and interests time and time again. I think it will be very effective in highlighting the fact that he doesn't give a damn about women - other then as a way to achieve power.

Tonight's speech will define Hillary's political career for the next several years. She's a pro; she's not going to miss the opportunity to kick the Republicans in the nuts.

Cycloptichorn

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The reason I agree with Carville is that there was just too much of the Obama success story at a time in our country's economic history that makes it much more difficult to accomplish. The message of "we worked hard and have succeeded" is okay up to a point, but they rubbed it in everybody's faces in "this" economy where people are losing their jobs and their homes.

Sorry to be the contrarian on this thread, but I still believe they missed the opportunity to send the right message on their first day.

The real message is a) our economy, b) the higher cost of food and fuel, and c) jobs. Yeah, they're all related one way or another, but that's the "important" message of our day.

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@Cycloptichorn,

The Dems really need to step it up during this convention because hurricane Gustav is
scheduled to hit New Orleans as a Cat 5 just about the time the GOP convention starts.

What event do you think the press will cover?

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@Cycloptichorn,

I don't envision Hillary alluding to McCain's C Word moment...but really looking forward to her speech!!! I'm just imagining that a WOW Hillary speech will just have her supporters...and perhaps others... thinking SHE would have been the stronger candidate...and I bet McC is salivating...expecting her to do well, so his team can further fan the Hillary-ites into thinking that same thing...

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@H2O MAN,

Oh my gosh. Had no idea about Gustav. Not New Orleans again!! Hope a benevolent wind prevails.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Oh my gosh. Had no idea about Gustav. Not New Orleans again!! Hope a benevolent wind prevails.

I'm sure people will blame this on Bush Rolling Eyes

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT07/refresh/AL0708W5_sm2+gif/144112W_sm.gif

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@Lash,

CI-- The Dems have tried to convince Gov Mark Warner to go hard tonight, but he refuses. I'll point out...soft on rhetoric translates to soft on defense to many voters watching...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26405509/

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

She'll point out that McCain is pro-life, not pro choice.

She has a good opening for this. There is a woman who was a Hillary supporter and who is now supporting McCain, who the McCain people keep trotting out. She just (today I think) was asked at some sort of press avail about overturning Roe vs. Wade. She said McCain won't. That's directly in opposition to what he's said, repeatedly.

Some sort of message from Hillary to this person would cover a lot of bases, I think.

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@Lash,

Lash, look at the Dems who are concern trolling (and as Dems, that's the right term lol) - It's Paul Begala, yet ANOTHER Clintonite who, along with Carville, seems determined to do everything he can to criticize the convention for not being good enough.

It's important to point out that these two are part of the old Dem party. They hate Howard Dean, b/c he surplanted Clintonism with his new ideas on 50-state campaigning and fundraising, and they hate Obama, for a Clinton return to glory would have meant a lifetime of cushy gigs as 'former Clinton WH' guys, and they aren't going to be as important or prominent now. I ignore both of them.

Cycloptichorn

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@sozobe,

Cite:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/from_the_rnc_podium_mccain_doe.html

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OE writes

Quote:

I mean, come on. Does that mean that McCain is also an angry guy, because he said he "I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company"?

The leftwing blogs have been making hay with this, and I expect that this will surface sometime during this convention too, but I haven't seen it placed in context anywhere. I see a brief--maybe a 2-3-second--clip of McCain making the statement--and this is looped again and again....but I haven't been able to find the statement leading into it or any possible explanation of his intent. Do you have anything that can help with that?

I think those interested only in image and propaganda don't want to look too closely at controversy surrounding 'their guy' but are eager to believe anything negative that can be pinned on the opposition.

I wonder what would happen if we all really wanted to know the truth however that might come down for or against our preferred candidate?

(P.S. IMO, don't look for the conventions to provide all of that truth.)

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@old europe,

Not to rehash all of the obvious, oe, but I have read Obama's book, and I have read about Wright and the very convoluted black liberation theology on which the church is based, and the church Obama attended for 20 plus years. Add to that his associations with Ayers, the unrepentent terrorist, whom he served with on the Woods Fund, another leftist organization, and he is friend of this kook. Add to this the statements by Michelle about finally being proud of the country, Obama's reluctance on occasion to really be very fond of the country, it all adds up to a very problematic political figure. Add to this not much of a resume, nothing much in the senate to base anything on. And has he ever run anything close to being a country. He is an empty suit.

Now, based on one speech by his wife, and his children saying I love you daddy, all scripted to soften their image for a few hours in Denver, we are supposed to gush over these people and vote for him?

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@Cycloptichorn,

I don't think they're just faking, (you didn't really say that) I think they really believe this stuff. I think that's what they advised Hillary to do, and I think she listened. And look how that turned out...

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Now, based on one speech by his wife, and his children saying I love you daddy, all scripted to soften their image for a few hours in Denver, we are supposed to vote for him.

That's their plan...

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@sozobe,

Yup, I agree. This entire cycle, Obama has been criticized and concern-trolled by half his goddamn party, as well as the Republicans. It'll never be enough for them, no matter what he does.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I hear your reasoning, but I don't think Carville or Begala are torpedoing O because of the reasons you stated. If they really wanted to sabotage O, they'd say he was doing just fine...and try to lead his campaign/convention in the wrong direction. I think they're just putting their opinions out there. I do give credence to your assessment of ther attitudes, but the your defense just smacks of apologism from a die-hard fan who has a hard time with negative opinions.

Many times, advice like this can lead to improvement of a situation.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I don't envision Hillary alluding to McCain's C Word moment...but really looking forward to her speech!!! I'm just imagining that a WOW Hillary speech will just have her supporters...and perhaps others... thinking SHE would have been the stronger candidate...and I bet McC is salivating...expecting her to do well, so his team can further fan the Hillary-ites into thinking that same thing...

I agree with Cyclo that she is a pro and therefore must avoid any appearance of further harming Obama's campaign. She's still Hillary though. I don't believe she has a real WOW speech in her. She couldn't speak immediately before or after a Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, or even a Michelle Obama without looking second, if not third rate. Only her devoted choir will see her as a WOW type speaker, because she just doesn't have the charisma these other people exude. (The woman really is a dull clod by comparison.)

Strategy-wise; I'd like to see every speaker stay mostly positive, but refer to McCain as McSame every time they make a reference to him. Sure, Fox & Co. will call it childish... but they'll do so as they repeat it over and over again until every American has heard it. At the same time; the Obama campaign should spend most of their dough articulating positives... but also put out enough ads to make sure every American repeatedly hears a concise summary like:

Quote:

John McCain is commited to Bush's Irresponsible Tax Cuts for the Rich, He stands firmly against Women's Rights, and wants 100 more years of Bush's War...

If this is what you want; vote McSame.

If it this isn't what you want; vote, for a change.

K.I.S.S.

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