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Convince Me That We Can Trust The Dems In Nov.

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:31 am
@Lash,
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Rex--You can't trust either party. I hope that clears this up.

Basically, you can count on the GOP for action, and the Dems for slowing down action. Depending on what the action is--either has a fair shot at being right.


Lash I do respect your opinion in this case, I wish the GOP were not at such a low favorability but they dug their own bitter, no show, obstructionist grave. I still think the republicans are the lesser of two evils (by a large margin we are more secure) versus all the wishie washy, unspecified and faithless (Rev. Wrong) "change" Obama/Soros have in mind...
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:50 am
@FreeDuck,
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Uh, no, but would it matter if it was? You were talking about one party rule. The K street project was specifically designed to give the Republicans a "permanent majority". The Democrats, to my knowledge, have yet to come up with something that equals its gall, so I find it interesting that you would be so concerned about one party rule but what, shrug at the attempt to do just that by the Republicans?


It is the underhanded base approach of the dems that I object to. Their ANYTHIGN BUT BUSH political stance shows who is really "shallow" and without concern for "democracy". They would rather have left the Iraqis under Saddam than to join the repubs effort to obtain a better life for the MILLIONS in Iraq. They would evidently have left their precious UN (that they value more than the US) in utter corruption and bribery than admit the war in Iraq is vitally necessary.

How can they call themselves democrats with a clear conscience? I would think that a dictator butchering his own people is enough reason to liberate an oppressed country but WMD seems to be their misguided talking point obsession without even a single thought for the higher calling of "liberty for all".

If we were not tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan I’m certain republicans would have our troops deployed in Darfur. The partisan progressives could scream about that for more pity votes… Something is evidently VERY wrong in the democratic party and Howard Dean’s goo goo ga ga… and I refuse to fall for such hypocrisy on either side of the fence.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 10:02 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

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Uh, no, but would it matter if it was? You were talking about one party rule. The K street project was specifically designed to give the Republicans a "permanent majority". The Democrats, to my knowledge, have yet to come up with something that equals its gall, so I find it interesting that you would be so concerned about one party rule but what, shrug at the attempt to do just that by the Republicans?


It is the underhanded base approach of the dems that I object to. Their ANYTHIGN BUT BUSH political stance shows who is really "shallow" and without concern for "democracy". They would rather have left the Iraqis under Saddam than to join the repubs effort to obtain a better life for the MILLIONS in Iraq. They would evidently have left their precious UN (that they value more than the US) in utter corruption and bribery than admit the war in Iraq is vitally necessary.

How can they call themselves democrats with a clear conscience? I would think that a dictator butchering his own people is enough reason to liberate an oppressed country but WMD seems to be their misguided talking point obsession without even a single thought for the higher calling of "liberty for all".

If we were not tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan I’m certain republicans would have our troops deployed in Darfur. The partisan progressives could scream about that for more pity votes… Something is evidently VERY wrong in the democratic party and Howard Dean’s goo goo ga ga… and I refuse to fall for such hypocrisy on either side of the fence.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 12:06 pm
Dammit. I didn't notice when I posted that my entire reply disappeared. Sorry Rex, it was a good one too, I swear! I guess the preview button really does nuke everything when you use "quote". Ah well, if I get time I'll try it again.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 04:07 pm
@FreeDuck,
Code:Dammit. I didn't notice when I posted that my entire reply disappeared. Sorry Rex, it was a good one too, I swear! I guess the preview button really does nuke everything when you use "quote". Ah well, if I get time I'll try it again.


Sorry to hear that FD... I "usually" keep two copies of what I am writing at the same time, one "saved" on my desktop for those very events when things get messed up. I type my hard copy into the word processor and then "copy" (not cut) and paste it into the A2K text box. If things go awry I don't ever lose my second copy of the typing in the word processor... Sometimes a shift key with the wrong accompanying key presses has caused my internet explorer to magically close without even an "are you sure" warning... Smile

Ghost in the machine... Smile
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 04:16 pm
@FreeDuck,
Not anymore, that bug was fixed a little bit after your post.
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 03:33 pm
@Robert Gentel,
When the whole American system is rotten to the core who can redeem the image of USA.
Neithe the two candidates nor the dirty flag nor the so-called God.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 06:34 pm
@Ramafuchs,
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When the whole American system is rotten to the core who can redeem the image of USA.
Neithe the two candidates nor the dirty flag nor the so-called God.


YEA! How dare people believe in rights endowed by their creator, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness when we all instead could live like lawless/godless liberals. (cynical)
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 07:48 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
YEA! How dare people believe in rights endowed by their creator, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness when we all instead could live like lawless/godless liberals. (cynical)

Who are these lawless/godless liberals you speak of? I have truly never met one.
littlek
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 07:50 pm
@FreeDuck,
I'm godless, but not lawless.

Since when did god give us our rights?
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 01:11 am
@RexRed,
Well, you’ve convinced me.

That you’re a hopeless idiot or a guy who does not think or write very well, but being college educated that actually does make me an “elitist” when only 30% of Americans have a college degree.

I don’t usually cast pearls to swine, but good God, man open your eyes to the new century. The United States has 300,000,000 people in it with a $14,000,000,000 economy and you are still steeped in colonial myths that died over 200 years ago. See your remark….
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I am, terrified of socialism (not black people) and what it could do to the democratic fiber of our current governing system


When someone can push a button and move a billion dollars in capital across national boundaries in a nanosecond your concept of nations is just plainly old fashioned ignorant nonsense.

We have known this was going to happen since the 44 Allied nations of World War Two deliberated upon and signed the Bretton Woods Agreements during the first three weeks of July 1944. (see below the mp3 to the Jensen speech from “Network” to get some idea of where we stand today).

When you realize that only 50 years ago the United States accounted for nearly one-half of the world domestic product and yet within 35 years communist China will exceed the American GDP, you are no longer able to place your remarks on anything but sand.

The first thing is that you cannot, without looking it up define exactly what socialism actually is and if you don’t understand that the rest of your screed is pureed bull$hit. The second is that America had better become more socialist because the alternative will be simply economic and social disaster, in a competitive world where our most competitive economic adversaries are more socialist than the USA. I’ll give you a hint, it’s about over-all national economic efficiency, not simply “INDIVIDUAL” industry efficiency, that includes the demands of labor, capital, and the social structure you are bitching about. It means good health care and continuing education for the producers of wealth, not simply as it is today, for the owners of wealth

Your subsequent remarks are classic conservative tittie ass whining about a future that scares you and generally is held by misanthropes who believe the worst in people.

Don’t believe me on this? Try H A. Hayek, a Noble prize winning economist, in his essay “why I am not a conservative,” who states:
http://www.geocities.com/ecocorner/intelarea/fah1.html

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As has often been acknowledged by conservative writers, one of the fundamental traits of the conservative attitude is a fear of change, a timid distrust of the new as such, while the liberal position is based on courage and confidence, on a preparedness to let change run its course even if we cannot predict where it will lead. There would not be much to object to if the conservatives merely disliked too rapid change in institutions and public policy; here the case for caution and slow process is indeed strong. But the conservatives are inclined to use the powers of government to prevent change or to limit its rate to whatever appeals to the more timid mind. In looking forward, they lack the faith in the spontaneous forces of adjustment which makes the liberal accept changes without apprehension, even though he does not know how the necessary adaptations will be brought about


SO PLEASE stop insulting others by calling yourself a “moderate,” because you are not. You are dyed in wool, shaking at the knees about change, conservative.

Your..

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I believe Obama is a rank, sold-out political puppet to special interest and I think he is simply and opportunist flip flopping only for that blind obsession of the precious White House that the dems have placed above even the ethical work of American public as whole


You are also not a Democrat if you call Obama such yet fail also to call the GOP a “sold out PARTY to special interests that has much more placed above even the ethical work of American public as a whole.

The rest or you screed is simply sophomoric nonsense.

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Convince me that what I have laid out here is not the TRUTH. Convince me that the dems are not trying to foster a one party system to usurp power for a future dictatorial rule.


Prove it, give me an example that shows it in a partisan fashion without including Republicans, because the only thing that even appears to be like your nightmare was the Patriot Act and we all know how those votes went or do you,?

here you go, exercise your cud on this; original Patriot Act was approved 357-66 in October 2001. On that occasion, 62 Democrats, three Republicans and one independent voted against it.

It was only in 2005 with a Democratic majority that the more sinister sections of the act was rolled back by a 238 to 187 rebuke to the White House and was produced when a handful of conservative Republicans, worried about government intrusion, joined with Democrats who are concerned about personal privacy.

Yet, you call Democrats the party of usurpers?


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Even at the expense of American security they have tried to make our vital war efforts fail, AGAIN!


The Iraqi War was not vital the Afghani War was, IS, and it was a Republican administration that gutted the Afghani Campaign of troops supplies, and money to invade Iraq not a Democratic one, you ******* moron.

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Convince me that the dems actually have a policy other than the daily “change” rhetoric of policies that dizzies the mind like a well shifted shell game shuffle.


It dizzies only those who don’t know how to think things through.

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Convince me that the dems are not playing with the American future trading conscience for control.


What the hell evidence can you render up on that to convince me that Democratic policies of looking-before-you-leap are acts of a non-conscious state of mind?

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Convince me that the dems are not pathological liars accusing Bush of "failed policies" to distract voters from clearly seeing their own troubling abyss of sociopath-like lies and hypocritical deceit.


Lets gets this straight, sociopaths are devoid of conscience and lack empathy, they torture other human beings and it was the Republican administration who ordered torture, and are now attempting to lie about it and cover their tracks, so you’re doing nothing but transferring your own support for it to your opponent.

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Only a weak marionette (Obama) pushover clown tied to big corruption and big money could win the favor of such a low life organization as move-on dot org.


With McCain’s big money boys funding his campaign while 2,000,000 average Americans have contributed to Obama that remark is not simply untrue but ******* clueless about objective reality.

Now here’s one for you; it is Americans like you, God awful ignorant people who can’t see an inch beyond their cloying reach for comfort that are destroying the best civilization the world ever built. It is your ilks who support a system that fights against populist rhetoric that distinguish those who actually produce wealth from those who live off of it--"the idle holders of idle capital," JOHN AND CINDY MCCAIN FOR INSTANCE as W J Bryan referred to them in his "Cross of Gold" speech. Populism believes that wealth and power should accrue to those who produced it--"the people," properly so-called--and not to those who lived off the people's labor.

Such a distinction may sound Marxist, but IT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE 2000 GORE CAMPAIGN, yet Gore is neither Marxist nor socialist. And it is bizarre in the discussion at hand that unlike Gore for whom you allegedly voted Obama has moved in the other direction since he became the proposed candidate.

So, you’re not only wrong you have seem to have a complete lack of attention to detail.

Now for something intended to confuse or educate you.

It is the Ned Beatty speech from the 1976 film Network, you see, we or at least Paddy Chayefsky knew where we were going 32 years ago even if you don’t seem to know even today where you are, except clueless.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html

Good day, sir!
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 03:32 pm
@RexRed,
Can you convince me that USA's political system is the ideal one to follow?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 04:15 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
blueveinedthrobber wrote:

Rex, with no offense intended convincing you would be a waste of energy because you don't WANT to be convinced and will view anything through that prism. IMO.


Wink
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 02:49 pm
@RexRed,
I am a decent athiest and communist and Gandhi's nonviolence-follower. My wife is a noble christian unlike the American band of christianity.

Accept my crisp comment and seek your God in White house or any toilet in USA.
Sorry for my unusual verbal vomitation.
Rama
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:35 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
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Rex, with no offense intended convincing you would be a waste of energy because you don't WANT to be convinced and will view anything through that prism. IMO.


I am sure you just posted this so I will give my unequivocal opinion on Obama’s lame pick for VP... Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:39 pm
@Ramafuchs,
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I am a decent athiest and communist and Gandhi's nonviolence-follower. My wife is a noble christian unlike the American band of christianity.

Accept my crisp comment and seek your God in White house or any toilet in USA.
Sorry for my unusual verbal vomitation.
Rama


What?...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:41 pm
@Ramafuchs,
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Can you convince me that USA's political system is the ideal one to follow?


So you suggest the many being controlled by a few?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:44 pm
@kuvasz,
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Don’t believe me on this? Try H A. Hayek, a Noble prize winning economist, in his essay “why I am not a conservative,” who states:


Umm, Hitler was nominated for a Nobel peace prize... that about sums up what I think of this "peace prize"...
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:50 pm
@kuvasz,
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Prove it, give me an example that shows it in a partisan fashion without including Republicans


Perhaps a 14% approval rating of the new PROGRESSIVE democratically led congress. But I don't expect a socialist to care what "We The People" think...

Hmm and to think I did not have to resort to name calling once to counter your argument. Did you obtain that potty mouth in college?
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 01:51 pm
@kuvasz,
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shaking at the knees about change


The only one I see backsliding and changing policies on the flip of a dime is Obama.
 

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