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Convince Me That We Can Trust The Dems In Nov.

 
 
RexRed
 
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:44 am
I come off as a conservative but I am actually a moderate with a conservative ideal. Though today’s conservationism is FAR from perfect and enshrines much of the hate a bigotry that I have had to sadly vault over, there is the Jesus factor of the conservatives that still strongly holds me tied, but loosely, to the republican party. Also I am, terrified of socialism (not black people) and what it could do to the democratic fiber of our current governing system.

Thus I will not this Nov. even vote for a single democrat, PERIOD, out of conscience. I did vote for Gore so I am certainly not purely partisan. I am WELL aware of the homophobia in the republican party and find it distasteful and disgusting, but the republican ideal of small government seems to be a highly redeeming quality. I am also not a liberal because I believe in virtue, and liberality does not have any type of real SOLID standards or stop gaps to keep the party from spiraling into utter decadence and moral disarray. I find utter decadence even more troubling than the evident and often vicious homophobia in the republican party.

Then the are the Dick Cheney’s in our party, openly proud of their lesbian daughter... So actually I am a sometimes RADICAL moderate (oxymoron), holding back the republicans from legislating hate and holding the liberals DOWN from realizing their George (legalize drugs for kids) Soros, DOWN WITH AMERICA HATE, which I truly believe to be the end of civilized ("progressive") society as we know it.

I can certainly defend myself if provoked and if either party as they stand today were to try and extinguish the other I would (with my vote) be there to raise up the underdog. I believe Obama is a rank, sold-out political puppet to special interest and I think he is simply and opportunist flip flopping only for that blind obsession of the precious White House that the dems have placed above even the ethical work of American public as whole. I have found the actions (or lack thereof) of the Democratic party in the last eight years purely petty, spiteful and reprehensibly unforgivable. Many do not realize I voted for Gore. The dems have become too strong and need another eight more or years to mature, if ever. To bad Nancy Pelosi had to (as the first woman speaker of the house) sell her soul for more (Murtha) pork barrel spending. ALL FOR POWER over principle.

Convince me that what I have laid out here is not the TRUTH. Convince me that the dems are not trying to foster a one party system to usurp power for a future dictatorial rule. Even at the expense of American security they have tried to make our vital war efforts fail, AGAIN! Convince me that the dems actually have a policy other than the daily “change” rhetoric of policies that dizzies the mind like a well shifted shell game shuffle. Convince me that the dems are not playing with the American future trading conscience for control. Convince me that the dems are not pathological liars accusing Bush of "failed policies" to distract voters from clearly seeing their own troubling abyss of sociopath-like lies and hypocritical deceit. Only a weak marionette (Obama) pushover clown tied to big corruption and big money could win the favor of such a low life organization as move-on dot org.

Convince me that I am WRONG
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:47 am
@RexRed,
Rex, with no offense intended convincing you would be a waste of energy because you don't WANT to be convinced and will view anything through that prism. IMO.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:49 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
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Rex, with no offense intended convincing you would be a waste of energy because you don't WANT to be convinced and will view anything through that prism. IMO.


I don't want to be convinced and that is why I posted this. Just maybe you have NOTHING worthy of substance that can convince, so you resort to shallow character attacks instead
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:53 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

Also I am, terrified of socialism (not black people) and what it could do to the democratic fiber of our current governing system.


This seems to be at your core. I would just ask that you re-examine where this fear comes from. At some point, not too long ago, I realized how manipulated we have been over the last 20 or more years. There may have been good reasons for that manipulation in the beginning, but I don't think there are now.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:56 am
@RexRed,
there was no character attack shallow or otherwise.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 08:58 am
@FreeDuck,
I'm in shock that an obviously intelligent duck like yourself JUST RECENTLY realized that Shocked Wink
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:05 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
I have found the actions (or lack thereof) of the Democratic party in the last eight years purely petty, spiteful and reprehensibly unforgivable.


Funny, this is how I feel about the Republicans. The Democrats, in all they have done or not done, what was their actual negative affect on the country? The Republicans facilitated destabilizing of the balance of powers in our government, something essential to our democracy. The Republicans facilitated, enabled, and IMO encouraged torture. The Republicans cheered and promoted an unprovoked war that is bankrupting our country. The Democrats are not perfect by a long shot, but if any party is currently deserving of remaining unforgiven, it is the Republicans. Now, you say you have voted Dem in the past, so you don't think that one party is so essentially better than the other, so what is it exactly that you are unable to forgive the dems for? Not standing up for us? Yes, I guess I'd have to agree on that. I just can't equate the behavior of the bully with that of the bystander who didn't help.

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Convince me that the dems are not trying to foster a one party system to usurp power for a future dictatorial rule.


If the Democrats had been the party that came up with the K street project, I might be with you on this.

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Only a weak marionette (Obama) pushover clown tied to big corruption and big money could win the favor of such a low life organization as move-on dot org.


Putting aside the inherent contradiction in this sentence, maybe you could expand on your corruption and big money ties accusation?


FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:06 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I'm in shock that an obviously intelligent duck like yourself JUST RECENTLY realized that Shocked Wink


Does 8 years count as recent? I should mention that 8 years ago I was 26.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:08 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I'm in shock that an obviously intelligent duck like yourself JUST RECENTLY realized that Shocked Wink


Does 8 years count as recent? I should mention that 8 years ago I was 26.


Oh yeah, and I was raised by Southern Baptists. Is that enough excuses yet? I'm sure I have more.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:10 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
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there was no character attack shallow or otherwise.


In genuine concern, to simply imply that I am closed minded is a character attack which I do consider shallow. Where are your concrete examples? Can't you quote my own words to prove your point? A blanket statement without any logical substantiation is like a particle of dust thinking it is a large boulder. If you are going to throw stones at glass houses I might suggest pick up a stone with a bit more girth. Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:14 am
@RexRed,
RexRed, I come off as a liberal to most on a2k, but I'm also a "moderate" or "independent" if you will. I like small and unintrusive government, but believe in universal health care for all Americans.

If we look at history, it shows the democrats ahead on leading our economy for the benefit of all - rather than a small percentage of the rich and famous.

Bush outspent all the presidents in history, and have hog-tied our economy for many years to come with his unwarranted war in Iraq. That most are having financial difficulty with higher fuel and food prices hasn't phased the conservatives with for self-destruction by their stubbornness to "win" the unwinable war in Iraq. They really believe that the "surge" is a success, but that's without knowing its long-term outcomem, and defining what "win" really means.

This administration continues to rattle their tongues as if we're still the superpower of this planet, but our economy and military should be obvious to most that we ain't no longer "there."



RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:16 am
@FreeDuck,
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If the Democrats had been the party that came up with the K street project, I might be with you on this.


And this “K project” was not in response to what the "get out the (allow illegal immigrants and felons) vote" dems have been doing?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:17 am
@RexRed,
okay over and out.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:18 am
@FreeDuck,
next you'll be telling me you dated musicians....
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
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but believe in universal health care for all Americans


The same universal (socialism) health care that has nearly bankrupted the oil rich Canada?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:23 am
Rex--You can't trust either party. I hope that clears this up.

Basically, you can count on the GOP for action, and the Dems for slowing down action. Depending on what the action is--either has a fair shot at being right.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Bush outspent all the presidents in history


And Iran and Venezuela with their Russian missiles and nuclear ambitions spend little to wipe the US and Israel off the face of the map. Umm… we are at war.

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This administration continues to rattle their tongues as if we're still the superpower of this planet, but our economy and military should be obvious to most that we ain't no longer "there."


Wishful thinking on your part and your democrat appeasers.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:24 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

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If the Democrats had been the party that came up with the K street project, I might be with you on this.


And this “K project” was not in response to what the "get out the (allow illegal immigrants and felons) vote" dems have been doing?


Uh, no, but would it matter if it was? You were talking about one party rule. The K street project was specifically designed to give the Republicans a "permanent majority". The Democrats, to my knowledge, have yet to come up with something that equals its gall, so I find it interesting that you would be so concerned about one party rule but what, shrug at the attempt to do just that by the Republicans?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:26 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
blueveinedthrobber wrote:

next you'll be telling me you dated musicians....

Not exactly...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2008 09:26 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Rex--You can't trust either party. I hope that clears this up.

Basically, you can count on the GOP for action, and the Dems for slowing down action. Depending on what the action is--either has a fair shot at being right.


Well, that sums it all up. There's your answer Rex.
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