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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 01:09 am
I received a gift from a girl who/whom I thought did not like me.

Which word should I use?

Many thanks in advance.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 01:21 am
Whom is generally considered outdated and archaic except when using very formal vocabulary in Aus Eng.

Use who

The brits may have another opinion
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 02:48 am
From whom, I would say.

The extra clause complicates the sentence, though.

The girl, who I thought did not like me, gave me a present.

I received a present. From whom? From the girl who....



I don't know! Embarrassed When in doubt, simplify the sentence.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 11:44 am
Re: who/whom
tanguatlay wrote:
I received a gift from a girl who/whom I thought did not like me.


Who is the correct choice here since the word functions as the subject of the predicate did not like.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 05:41 pm
Amen to what Shapeless wrote, who is the word you want.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 05:44 pm
A good way to be sure of this, by the by, is to substitute the third person masculine or feminine pronoun for who or whom. In this case, you would write: I thought she did not like me--which is the subjective, so you would use "who." If you wrote "the girl to (whom or who) i gave it," you would do the substitution--i gave it to her--and find that you wanted the objective, so you would write "the girl to whom i gave it."
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 01:49 am
Isn't that a contradiction?

The girl to whom I gave it
The girl from whom I got it

Compare that with the question, and where are we?
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 01:54 am
There's no contradiction. In the sentences you provided, "who/whom" serves as the object of the phrases "gave it" and "got it." ("I gave it to her," "I got it from her.") Thus the sentences take the objective form, whom.

In Tanguatlay's original sentence, "who/whom" serves as the subject of the phrase "did not like." ("I thought she did not like me.") Thus the sentence takes the subjective form, who.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2008 02:02 am
I'm comfortable with that.

I originally was not sure whether "girl" and "who" had to agree wrt. case.
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