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Let me be the first to denounce these criminals in no uncertain terms.

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White Supremacists See Hope In Obama Win
First Black President Would Trigger Backlash And Jar Whites Into Action, They Say

They're not exactly rooting for Barack Obama, but prominent white supremacists anticipate a boost to their cause if he becomes the first black president. His election, they say, would trigger a backlash - whites rising up, a revolution of sorts - that they think is long overdue.

He'd be a "visual aid," says former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, in trying to bring others around to their view that whites have lost control of America. Obama's election, says another, would jar whites into action, writing letters, handing out pamphlets rather than sitting around complaining.

While most Americans have little or no direct contact with white supremacists, organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center keep close tabs; the law center estimates some 200,000 people nationwide are active in such groups. These observers think the prospect of a white revolution is fantasy......

Barrett, a New York City native who moved to Mississippi in 1966, said the Nationalist Movement has members in 36 states, but he won't say how many. He compares today's skinheads to the minutemen of the American Revolution.

"The Revolution, if you will, in 1776 brought the 13 colonies together against the king. And the same thing can happen now against Martin Luther King, with the 50 states," Barrett said, if Obama's elected.

Barrett says he is a Democrat but won't say whether he's voting for Obama. He'll only say he won't support McCain, Libertarian Bob Barr or independent Ralph Nader.........

I'd favor building additional jail space , if needed. Mental hospitals are too good for them.

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If only we could just shoot them... but that would be cruel and inhumane.

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There is not that much difference between these racist groups, and many conservative republicans.

The platform is the same

- Warnings that Islamic influence in America is a threat to national security.
- Defamation of American citizens of different races as "unpatriotic" for defending their communities.
- Assertion that white males are routinely discriminated against.
- Characterization of "illegal" immigration as an "invasion" and an assertion that "illegal" people have no rights.
- An belief that any gun control legislation is a risk to Americans.
- A belief that America is a Christian nation that should be run on Christian principles.
- Fear that gay marriage will destroy society.

Give me one significant difference in rhetoric or in policy between a conservative Republican and a KKK member.

To hear conservatives try to disavow "racists"... at the same time they are using the very same rhetoric to reach the very same goals.. this is a little hard to accept.

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ebrown_p wrote:

There is not that much difference between these racist groups, and many conservative republicans.

The platform is the same

- Warnings that Islamic influence in America is a threat to national security.
- Defamation of American citizens of different races as "unpatriotic" for defending their communities.
- Assertion that white males are routinely discriminated against.
- Characterization of "illegal" immigration as an "invasion" and an assertion that "illegal" people have no rights.
- An belief that any gun control legislation is a risk to Americans.
- A belief that America is a Christian nation that should be run on Christian principles.
- Fear that gay marriage will destroy society.

Give me one significant difference in rhetoric or in policy between a conservative Republican and a KKK member.

To hear conservatives try to disavow "racists"... at the same time they are using the very same rhetoric to reach the very same goals.. this is a little hard to accept.

More liberal boilerplate, eh? ok I've got just a minute

What does 'defending their communities' mean, ebrown?

Do you recognize that saying an illegal alien 'has no rights' and saying they 'should not be granted the same rights as citizens' are not the same thing?

It's not 'Islamic influence' but 'Islamic terrorists' that most conservatives say are a threat to national security.

Your failure to recognize that discrimination against white males is a routine occurrence is probably a case of willful blindness. Conservatives believe that everyone should have the same economic opportunities, not set asides based on color, gender, etc

So when did you stop beating your wife, ebrown?

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Don't change the question.

The question here is not if the position that KKK type groups take on these issues is right or wrong (although for the record, I think they are wrong).

The question is whether the rhetoric of KKK type groups is different than "typical" conservative positions.

This is a fair question. My community is targeted by racist rhetoric-- not just from KKK type groups, but also from conservative Republicans.

To me, these two groups are not much different.

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It's not a 'fair question', it's a vague charge.

I haven't 'changed THE question' because I have no idea which question is THE question in your mind.

SPECIFICALLY, what are you talking about?

I asked what you mean by 'defending their communities', and addressed several other points from your liberal laundry list.

Why don't you simply pull out the one thing that's bugging you and we can discuss?

I have no idea who 'your community' is or what 'racist rhetoric' you feel is targeting you.

It's against my religion to read minds, ebrown.

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You identified a group of people as racists, and you went so far as to suggest that they should be imprisoned. So, it wasn't my "vague charge".

So this question is to your original post.

What about the KKK's rhetoric or positions do you find objectionable?

((I have already given you my list))

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ebrown_p wrote:

You identified a group of people as racists, and you went so far as to suggest that they should be imprisoned. So, it wasn't my "vague charge".

So this question is to your original post.

What about the KKK's rhetoric or positions do you find objectionable?

((I have already given you my list))

Actually, no you havent.
You said that the platforms and rhetoric you listed were from conservative republicans, you did not say they were from the KKK.
There is a difference.

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ebrown_p wrote:

You identified a group of people as racists, and you went so far as to suggest that they should be imprisoned. So, it wasn't my "vague charge".

So this question is to your original post.

What about the KKK's rhetoric or positions do you find objectionable?

((I have already given you my list))

I was specifically referring to the not so veiled incitement to violence by the Democrat from New York (now living in Mississippi) Mr Barrett.

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The KKK was always the terrorist wing of the DEMOKRATIC party, not the other way around.

You can spot a young and inexperienced buck like epb, tko, or cylcops pretty easily without having to profile much.

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cjhsa wrote:

The KKK was always the terrorist wing of the DEMOKRATIC party, not the other way around.

You can spot a young and inexperienced buck like epb, tko, or cylcops pretty easily without having to profile much.

Can you explain this in greater detail? For I think you are insinuating something you shouldn't be here.

Cycloptichorn

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ebrown_p wrote:

There is not that much difference between these racist groups, and many conservative republicans.

The platform is the same

- Warnings that Islamic influence in America is a threat to national security.
- Defamation of American citizens of different races as "unpatriotic" for defending their communities.
- Assertion that white males are routinely discriminated against.
- Characterization of "illegal" immigration as an "invasion" and an assertion that "illegal" people have no rights.
- An belief that any gun control legislation is a risk to Americans.
- A belief that America is a Christian nation that should be run on Christian principles.
- Fear that gay marriage will destroy society.

Give me one significant difference in rhetoric or in policy between a conservative Republican and a KKK member.

To hear conservatives try to disavow "racists"... at the same time they are using the very same rhetoric to reach the very same goals.. this is a little hard to accept.

The KKK platform is NOT the same. some is yes, some is not. If you look at their platform, they even have some of the liberal forwarded ideas.

What you are doing is trying to equate Republican being equal to KKK and that's just stupid. I can't believe for an instant that you actually are stupid enough to believe that becasue some of the words they use are the same that they have the same beliefs. Are you stupid enough to believe that?

But, you aksed for "one significant difference in rhetoric or in policy between a conservative Republican and a KKK member."

I will list a few for you...

-The recognition that America was founded as a White nation.
-Stop all Foreign Aid Immediately
-Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.
-Abolish ALL discriminatory affirmative action programs
-Actively promote love and appreciation of our unique European (White) culture
-Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors.
-Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.
-We support a national law against the practice of homosexuality
-We support the voluntary repatriation of everyone not satisfied with living under White Christian rules of conduct back to the native lands of their people

Now, which of those would be a plank in the Republican platform?

Now, quit being an idiot with this crap.

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1373/908246373_0af1a187cc.jpg

http://www.vintagedepotdirect.com/media/DC04.jpg

Just a start.

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And what exactly do you think that has to do with either myself or TKO? Be specific.

Cycloptichorn

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McG.

1) I did not start this thread, Real Life did... and he did it because this guy Barrett says he is a Democrat (as he confirmed in a later post). I didn't start this argument (but I don't mind having it).

2) I didn't say Republican... I said "Conservative Republican". My point is there is a running theme in conservative Republican rhetoric that invokes the same rhetoric that KKK like groups use.

3) The platform you posted from the KKK doesn't sound anything like something that Democrats would support. Anti-homosexual, anti-foreigner, Christian based nation, anti-affirmative action, anti-environmental laws.... all of these fit fine in the Republican platform (if you are just saying this is a matter of degree, then point taken).

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

And what exactly do you think that has to do with either myself or TKO? Be specific.

Cycloptichorn

Your undying support of the racist Obama and his even worse wife.

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cjhsa wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
And what exactly do you think that has to do with either myself or TKO? Be specific.

Cycloptichorn

Your undying support of the racist Obama and his even worse wife.

I wonder what the best way to respond to this idiocy is?

I think that I will use this sentence to ask you to explain in what ways you think Obama is a racist, and provide evidence to prove this.

Cycloptichorn

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ebrown_p wrote:

McG.

1) I did not start this thread, Real Life did... and he did it because this guy Barrett says he is a Democrat (as he confirmed in a later post). I didn't start this argument (but I don't mind having it).

2) I didn't say Republican... I said "Conservative Republican". My point is there is a running theme in conservative Republican rhetoric that invokes the same rhetoric that KKK like groups use.

3) The platform you posted from the KKK doesn't sound anything like something that Democrats would support. Anti-homosexual, anti-foreigner, Christian based nation, anti-affirmative action, anti-environmental laws.... all of these fit fine in the Republican platform (if you are just saying this is a matter of degree, then point taken).

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Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.

OK, how is that "anti-environmental laws"?

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http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/obamawrightxx

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cjhsa wrote:

What a moronic thing for you to post - even incorrectly.

If you can't do better then this stuff, why do you waste your and my time?

Cycloptichorn

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