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A School for Johns; legalizing prostitution

 
 
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 12:32 pm
Here is a rape statistic per country.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita As you can see, the United States is on 9th place, whereas countries like Germany and Netherlands are on 22nd resp. 24th place (rape per 1000 people). These are reported rapes, the number of unreported sex crimes might be just as high.

The red light districts in Germany are pretty good regulated and the
prostitutes are fairly good protected from "Johns" who might become violent. Also, these girls have to get regular gynecological check-ups
to make sure they haven't contracted any STDs.

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world - legal or not, it will
continue...
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 05:03 pm
It will only continue if females insist on the easy way out. If they would dig ditches, fix downed powerlines in a blizzard and fight on the front line, as is their right, things could be different but somehow I don't think it is going to happen in the foreseeable future.

What an admission to make Cal.

Are you playing your part or being aloofly standoffish and leaving it to your sisters in arms to hold the fort?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 05:30 pm
SF does not neglect the sellers though
Quote:
At 'Whore College,' sex workers learn to heighten job satisfaction




By Lisa Leff
ASSOCIATED PRESS
5:14 p.m. May 5, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO - The 25 students in jeans and T-shirts could have been in any career that requires hustle. The classes, covering topics such as effective marketing, stress reduction and legal issues, could have been part of any professional development seminar.

But this was "Whore College," and any illusion it was just another corporate how-to for young go-getters abruptly ended at the sex toy display and was stripped away for good during a graphic demonstration that put a whole new twist on the concept of hands-on training.



"We are still illegal," instructor Kimberlee Cline said before her 20-minute demonstration. "If we want to be treated as business professionals, we need to act ethically within the industry."
Presented in conjunction with the San Francisco Sex Worker Film and Arts Festival, the class Wednesday at an erotic art gallery was billed as away for working girls and guys to polish their skills in a supportive atmosphere.

It was the first time the biennial festival, begun in 1999 to showcase films about and by sex workers, included a session devoted to how to maintain a satisfying career.

Although famously permissive San Francisco has long been a hotbed for prostitutes' rights activism, the school reflects the movement's maturation away from a focus on decriminalization toward a broader agenda that includes occupational health and safety and community-building, said organizer Carol Leigh.

Other cities, including Tucson, Ariz., Portland, Ore., Montreal and Taipei, Taiwan, have similar events, said Leigh, a veteran activist who takes credit for coining the term "sex worker" as an anti-euphemism.

By light of day, the women and men of the night swapped tips, argued over personal grooming choices and heard from others considered experts in their field. Many of the attendees said they were motivated as much by the networking opportunity and doing what they could to normalize the world's oldest profession as furthering their education. During Cline's workshop, for example, some in the audience skimmed magazines and chatted despite the carnal knowledge unfolding in front of them.

Participants who stuck it out for the whole day received diplomas certifying them as G.S.W's - graduates in sex work.

Several students went to lengths to explain that they see themselves as inheritors of a proud tradition - specialists with a choice instead of exploited victims. Sporting nary a stiletto heel among them, their expressed reasons for turning to sex work - an umbrella term that encompasses everything from exotic dancing and acting in pornographic films to turning tricks - were as varied as their hair colors and body types.

"My own personal experience has been negative and positive, as with any job," said Kymberly Cutter, 36, a mother of two from Tucson who returned to prostitution two years ago to boost her income and regards it as part of a journey in "personal self-discovery." Her children, ages 7 and 9, know what she does for a living, she said.

The more shadowy aspects of the profession were covered in the curriculum. Lawyer Erin Crane explained that accepting money for a specific sex act could land someone in jail, but she repeated several times she couldn't advise anyone on how to break the law.

Students practiced using assertive screaming for self-defense and they were told how to assess dangerous situations, and how to break free from an assailant's grasp.

Erin O'Bryn, 36, who has appeared on adult television networks, worked in massage parlors, owned an escort referral service and last year ran for Congress in Hawaii, said wearing a power suit and good heels dissuades clients from thinking they can take advantage of her.

"Sex work is work. Prostitution is work," Leigh said. "The most important thing is that we are diverse. Some are on the streets and in a very desperate situation. Others are in a working-class situation and maybe bored in their jobs. And others see sex work as their calling."




http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20050505-1714-ca-sexworkerschool.html
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 06:19 pm
I see sex work as my calling and a lot of bloody difference it makes I must say.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 06:46 pm
spendius wrote:
Are you playing your part or being aloofly standoffish and leaving it to your sisters in arms to hold the fort?


Yes I do! I fight only for myself!
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 06:54 pm
spendius wrote:
I see sex work as my calling .......


There just aren't any takers Laughing
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 06:56 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
spendius wrote:
Are you playing your part or being aloofly standoffish and leaving it to your sisters in arms to hold the fort?


Yes I do! I fight only for myself!


That's a philosophy we can all count on to save humanity...

Rolling Eyes
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 07:02 pm
You know Rockhead, I try very hard to ignore the snide remarks you've
been making in my direction, but apparently you won't quit, so here is
a more direct approach:

Leave me alone!
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 07:05 pm
Jane, dear, this is the first remark I have made in your direction, but I still find your statement remarkable.

As to snide remarks, remember about glass houses, sweetie...

:wink:
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jul, 2008 07:25 pm
Loveable CJ must have had pressing business elsewhere...

Back to John School.

Rock
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 09:39 am
BBB
My son sent me this:

A woman walked into an accountant's office and told him that she needs to file her taxes.

The accountant said, "Before we begin, I'll need to ask you a few questions. He got her name, address, social security number, etc. and then asked, "What's your occupation?"

"I'm a Lady of the night," she said.

The accountant is somewhat taken aback and said, "Let's try to rephrase that."

The woman said, "OK, I'm a high-end call girl".

"No, that still won't work. Try again."

They both thought for a minute; then the woman said, "I'm an elite chicken farmer."

The accountant asked, "What does chicken farming have to do with being a prostitute?"

"Well, I raised a thousand little peckers last year."

The accountant said, "Chicken Farmer it is."
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 10:13 am
Cal wrote-

Quote:
There just aren't any takers.


I can't help being a shagged-out old has-been Cal. Your turn will come.

In my prime I could reach them off the shelf. Some of them jumped down. Married ones especially.

I did become quite jaded eventually.

Is there anything you would like to know about women?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 10:20 am
If prostitution was legalised the bottom would fall out of the market. Supply would be way ahead of demand.

Women would have to offer "extras" like washing up, dusting and flagging the drive.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 10:47 am
Isn't it odd how the expression " high-end call girl" is used to suggest respectability.

I would never have dreamed of sending my mother a communication of that nature.

If the lady did file her tax returns isn't the IRS living on immoral earnings?

What do you think, BBB, it is that a high-end call girl provides that distinguishes her from a $20 slapper?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 11:13 am
spendius
spendius wrote:
Isn't it odd how the expression " high-end call girl" is used to suggest respectability.
I would never have dreamed of sending my mother a communication of that nature.
If the lady did file her tax returns isn't the IRS living on immoral earnings?

What do you think, BBB, it is that a high-end call girl provides that distinguishes her from a $20 slapper?


It's that old truism that anything rich is OK; anything poor is bad. Think Call Girl and Hooker.

BBB
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 11:54 am
That's hardly Christian now is it?

A not very neat evasion of the question.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 01:32 pm
Re: spendius
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
spendius wrote:
Isn't it odd how the expression " high-end call girl" is used to suggest respectability.
I would never have dreamed of sending my mother a communication of that nature.
If the lady did file her tax returns isn't the IRS living on immoral earnings?

What do you think, BBB, it is that a high-end call girl provides that distinguishes her from a $20 slapper?


It's that old truism that anything rich is OK; anything poor is bad. Think Call Girl and Hooker.

BBB


I think sex worker has the most dignity.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 02:01 pm
Anyway...

When I've imagined what it must be like to be a prostitute, it's never been the sex acts itself that caused concern.

I personally cannot imagine going off with a total stranger for any reason. I'd be too afraid for my physical safety.

Reading the initial post, it seems this is supposed to be more of an raising awareness type of ****? If I was a plumber, I don't have to like the people who's toilets I unclog.

I wouldn't care about that so much as knowing we are both on the same page as far as what the ground rules are.

Not killing me, or beating me up, is right up there.

Not dying or ending up in the hospital is pretty much all the awareness that's absolutley necessary to be be raised. Otherwise, you know the different types of sex acts you'll be called upon to perform, no surprises there.

STD's would be #2.

Maslow's hierarchy, as long as I can conduct my business and feel physically safe, I can work with the rest.

Sure it'd be great to be treated politely, not to have sex with someone that stinks, etc.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2008 04:42 pm
I would treat you like a Princess Chai.

You could do whatever you like with me.
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