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Reply Tue 29 Jul, 2008 09:00 am
mysteryman wrote:
Heres an interesting analysis of Obama's trip and the results...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25869729/

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But many analysts believe that if Obama completes his march to the Oval Office, this backing will dissipate the first time he presses Europe to send more troops to Afghanistan or to support an aggressive U.S. military stance at odds with Europe's strong preference for diplomacy over cruise missiles.

They also believe that complex long-standing disputes over issues like trade tariffs and the use of genetically modified food would not be solved more easily just because of the new president's evident popularity in Europe.

Germano Dottori, an analyst at Rome's Center for Strategic Studies, said the enthusiasm for Obama is likely to "cool down at the first real test" because he does not reflect a fundamental policy change.


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Everyone is ready to clap their hands when Obama talks about 'tearing down the walls,' but when he asks Europe to pay the price for it I am sure the doubts will resurface," Dottori said. "Obama is not calling for a demilitarization of U.S. foreign policy and when European audiences realize this, their enthusiasm will fade away."

This dynamic can already be seen in Germany. Chancellor Angela Merkel, through her spokesman, showered Obama with praise for his stated desire to work with Europe, but pointed out that Germany cannot accede to his desire to place more troops in Afghanistan for the battle against the Taliban and al-Qaida.


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Inderjeet Parma, head of the politics department at the University of Manchester in England, said he read every Obama speech since 2002 before concluding that Obama would not represent a basic change in U.S. policy. This would inevitably lead to a serious loss of popularity in Europe, he said.

"Obama hasn't said too much of great substance yet, he's made a lot of friendly overtures, but he'll be asking for commitments and burden sharing, and that's when other countries might find it hard to go along," Parma said.


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Political analysts also believe that Obama's trade policies, as spelled out during the primary campaign, are more protectionist than McCain's and more likely to lead to a confrontation with Europe.


So apparently even the Europeans arent ready to trust this guy and blindly follow him.



And it's good they're skeptical. Although, he's a better choice than McCain in terms of seeing something different take place. I think Obama seems full of himself a lot of the time and some of the time I get glimpses of actual encouragement-- maybe, just maybe he'll be different.
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Reply Tue 29 Jul, 2008 10:36 am
cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't have much hope - even with Obama's promise of "change." It's my opinion that Obama will win the presidency in November, but there are just too many handicaps for any president to effect change. Any change that comes will be primarily in winning back many of our former allies. Economy-wise, our country is in too deep a debt including most consumers. With the lack of open credit as in the past few decades, the higher cost of food and fuel, our economy will constrict further which will impact all forms of taxation revenues. That in turn will exacerbate our total economy effecting more layoffs. People who understand the housing market is saying that 2.5 million families will be losing their homes this year. That means more banks will be in trouble.

It's really scary out there, and I'm not talking about terrorists; its' our economy.


I agree with your logic above; the cause and effect. But, there are some scenarios that might be used to deal with higher unemployement in a country that has sent its factories overseas, and recently some of its white-collar jobs. One might be a reinstitution of the draft, since it not only keeps a percentage of young men out of the job force for a few years, but can induce some to stay out of the job force even longer by going to college afterwards. Also, a percentage of men go into other military services to avoid the draft, and a percentage of them do make a career of that branch of service, not to mention that a percentage of those drafted also make a career out of the Army. It would just be a band-aid of sorts, but as the saying goes, any port in a storm is good.

In other words, to cope with an economy that affects the U.S., because of the globalness of it today, society would have to adapt to cope. Meaning prior expectations would have to change. The days of rugged individualism where each generation in many families moved out on its own might be changed to the nineteenth century paradigm of multi-generational homes?

We will survive; I just believe life might be different for many. More nifty electronic gadgets, but lifestyle may seem constricted compared to the booming 1990's for many?

Those of us who already were living simple lifestyles might not feel affected from their perspective. Reminds me of the parable: the first shall come last and the last shall come first.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jul, 2008 11:35 am
Foofie, Multiple families in one house is becoming more common as we speak; it's the only way they can afford to live in their own home. And I also agree that lifestyles will change from what we've experienced in the past . People will have to learn how to live with less to survive.
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