Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 02:45 pm
Another insightful article

Vermont Gov. Howard Dean has been issuing diatribes against the Bush administration that would surpass even Tariq Aziz with severe menstrual cramps. This strategy has made him the runaway favorite of the Democratic Party. Even Mr. War Hero, John Kerry, is getting shellacked by Dean. At times Kerry seems almost ready to surrender, making him look even more French. (If only Kerry had a war record or an enormously rich spouse to fall back on!)

In the wake of Dean's success, the entire Democratic Dream Team is beginning to sound like Dr. Demento. On the basis of their recent pronouncements, the position of the Democratic Party seems to be that Saddam Hussein did not hit us on 9-11, but Halliburton did.

Explaining his vote for a war that he then immediately denounced, Kerry recently said his vote was just a head-fake, leading some to wonder how many of Kerry's other votes in the U.S. Senate this would explain. He voted for war only to bluff Saddam Hussein into letting in the U.N. weapons inspectors. "It was right to have a threat of force," Kerry said, "because it's only the threat of force that got Hans Blix and the inspectors back in the country." But he never imagined that Bush would interpret the broadly worded, open-ended war resolution as grounds to start an actual war! "The difference is," Kerry said, "I would have worked with the United Nations."

None of the Democrats has the guts to come out and demand that U.S. forces turn tail and run when the going gets tough. If only one of them had the courage to demand cowardice like a real Democrat! So instead, they stamp their feet and demand that Bush go to the United Nations. Apparently it is urgent that we replace the best fighting force in the world with an "international peacekeeping force," i.e., a task force both feared and respected worldwide for its ability to distribute powdered milk to poor children.

Inconsolable that their pleas to "work through" the U.N. did not stop Bush from invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein, now all the Democrats are eager for the U.N. to get involved so it can wreck the rebuilding process. Since we didn't let the U.N. lose the war for us, the least we can do is let them screw up the peace.

The idea that we would involve those swine in the postwar occupation of Iraq is so preposterous that it's under serious consideration as next week's slogan for the Howard Dean campaign. I hesitate to raise it to the level of a serious argument by offering a rebuttal, but as luck would have it, we have two models for how to occupy a country after a war. Getting "the allies" involved is not the winning model.

After World War II, the United States ran the Japanese occupation unilaterally. Without the meddling of other nations, the Japanese occupation went off without a hitch. Within five years, Gen. Douglas MacArthur had imposed a constitutional democracy on Japan with a bicameral legislature, a bill of rights and an independent judiciary. Now the only trouble Japan causes is its insistence on selling good products to Americans at cheap prices.

By contrast, the German occupation was run as liberals would like to run postwar Iraq - a joint affair among "the Allies," the United States, Britain, France and the Soviet Union. It took 45 years to clean up the mess that created.

The Soviets bickered with the French, refusing to treat them as "allies" (on the admittedly sensible grounds that they didn't fight). While plundering their zone, the Soviets refused to relinquish any territory to France. Trying to be gallant, the U.S. and British carved a French zone out of their own sectors. The Soviets then blockaded Berlin, built the Berlin Wall, and Germany was split for the next 45 years.

The British made Germany's war-torn economy worse by trying to impose socialism in their zone (as well as in their country). Predictably, economic disaster ensued. Over the next five years, the U.S. was required to spend the equivalent of about $200 billion annually in today's dollars to bail out Western Europe under the Marshall Plan. I note that there was no need for a Marshall Plan in Japan.

And the disastrous German occupation is the best-case scenario for "international peacekeeping." The less rosy picture involves the defaced corpses of American servicemen being dragged through the streets by dancing, cheering savages, as happened under "international peacekeeping" forces in Somalia in 1993. Showing that America is not a country to be toyed with, our draft-dodging, pot-smoking commander in chief responded by withdrawing our troops.

So naturally the Democrats are rooting for an international force in Iraq. The Democratic logic on national defense is: As soon as anyone in the military gets his hair mussed, we must pull out and bring "international peace-keeping" forces in. Our boys are in harm's way! People are dying! Bush lied when he said major combat operations were over! Let's run. That'll show 'em.

It was not lost on Osama bin Laden that it only took 18 dead in Somalia for the Great Satan to pull out. It should not be lost on Americans that this is what the Democrats are again demanding we do in Iraq.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 02:54 pm
Re: Insightful article
In the interests of full disclosure, the author of the above article is none other than Ann Coulter.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:00 pm
But, McG, the republicans also want a multi-national force in Iraq, for obvious reasons. They can't afford this war, and the donations from their "allies" are the only thing that would help. And they cannot afford the military personnel problem, and the're not getting help there. Are you willing to go over and fight, and donate money to Iraq? Do you remember when Rumsfeld (not a democrat) proclaimed that once America had won this war, all other countries (including old Europe) would be jumping on the bandwagon? And Powell and others going over and begging for international help? Weren't no democrats allowed on any of that decision making - that was republican.

And it's beginning to look like maybe Osama was smarter than the Bush boys. He's still here, as is Hussein.

Sounds like maybe a lot of like-thinking people are whistling in the dark
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:04 pm
Re: Insightful article
McGentrix wrote:
Another insightful article


In the wake of Dean's success, the entire Democratic Dream Team is beginning to sound like Dr. Demento. On the basis of their recent pronouncements, the position of the Democratic Party seems to be that Saddam Hussein did not hit us on 9-11, but Halliburton did.



Not even the Bush administration laid the blame to Saddam Hussein. Is the rest of the quoted material supposed to be equally valid?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:07 pm
Roger, you beat me to it! Smile
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:09 pm
Sorry, dude.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:16 pm
Well, it's obviously not the topic of this article, but a little reading about recent German history had prevented some stupid faults, e.g. about who built the Berlin wall and when.

The British Zone (= the all states there with the exemption of the city states Bremen and Hamburg) had all conservative governments until in the 70's.

The Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) was founded in 1949, with all, what Japan got ... later.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:24 pm
Ann Coulter - the fount of all wisdom and learning. Don't see nearly as much of her as we used to.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:28 pm
mamajuana wrote:
Ann Coulter - the fount of all wisdom and learning. Don't see nearly as much of her as we used to.

You say that like its a bad thing! Shocked
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:30 pm
BTW: does anyone remember, why the USA gave some 100 sqare miles as gift to the Sovjets and thus enabling them to "plundering their zone", here the most industrializedl regions there?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:34 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
BTW: does anyone remember, why the USA gave some 100 sqare miles as gift to the Sovjets and thus enabling them to "plundering their zone", here the most industrializedl regions there?

Yup. Our Germanist at UMBC was working on a book about Soviet rapes adn terror tactics in their sector of Berlin.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:42 pm
"Don't see nearly as much of her as we used to."

Possibly because it gets easier and easier to see through her?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 03:47 pm
Tartarin wrote:
"Don't see nearly as much of her as we used to."

Possibly because it gets easier and easier to see through her?

Her tobacco and cocaine diet seems to be working. Rolling Eyes
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 04:19 pm
McG

I don't have a lot of time for this thread, so please...

...the suspense is killing me.

How are you gonna work Hillary Clinton into this?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 04:20 pm
About the deepest I ever went into the drug culture was pot and hash -- long ago -- didn't much like either one. But coke sounded appealing until you said Coulter's on it, Hobit. If that's what it does to one, spare me!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 09:14 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
McG

I don't have a lot of time for this thread, so please...

...the suspense is killing me.

How are you gonna work Hillary Clinton into this?


Damn! I wish I had now.

Ok, here's one just for you Frank :wink:

Neal Boortz wrote:
Hillary Clinton was making the TV rounds this morning getting her two-cents worth in on the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks. Watching her I couldn't help but wonder how many of those who died two years ago today would still be working in their offices at the World Trade Towers if her husband had just done his damned job. You can't say it any plainer than that.

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 09:51 pm
McGentrix, I am truly disappointed.

It took you over six hours to post something that blamed 9/11 on Bill Clinton. That was inexcusably tardy. Most conservatives would do that within 30 seconds of introducing the topic. Better shape up and fly right.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 10:45 pm
Neal Boortz? Another fount. How can anyone take seriously someone who calls his online thing "neal's nuze?"
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Italgato
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2003 01:02 am
I think McGentrix may have been reading Judge Richard A. Posner's book- "An Affair of State"

Posner said:

"What makes it difficult, in trying to make an overall assessment of President Clinton's character, to view him simply as a person in whom the elements are fearfully mixed, is his shamelessness, his evident lack of conscience, his self-absorption, and his apparent belief that the end justifies the means even when the end is the petty one of burnishing his historical reputation."

I know Coulter is on the best seller list but I think that Judge Posner did a much better job.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2003 06:29 am
joefromchicago wrote:
McGentrix, I am truly disappointed.

It took you over six hours to post something that blamed 9/11 on Bill Clinton. That was inexcusably tardy. Most conservatives would do that within 30 seconds of introducing the topic. Better shape up and fly right.


I am truly sorry, but you know how it is...work, family and all. I will endeavor to keep my end up in the future.
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