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U.S. Supreme Court rules against D.C. Handgun Ban

 
 
mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 05:24 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, (sarcasm on the way...) I suppose the extension 'of good mind' should be tossed away from that statement. You are ignoring the condition, my man! Shocked THE CONDITION>


Surely you jest.

The purpose is for citizens to protect themselves from the government and the self protection of law abiding citizens.


Actually I have had enough of your pettiness- and it's not even of the impressive sort. Your kind has been met with time and time again by any logician, so smirk all you want and continue to be legendary in your own mind. You miss pertinent points other make; whatever you miss you then twist to inch up that flimsy prejudice (about a point you know not what) and proceed to conclude that very same prejudice; you consider nothing in the way of how you derive it, you continue anyway (perhaps even posting ludicrous images of your side of it to add strength to thin-air "theorems"), and then you cheer on about playing a number on yourself; and what is more- which some would say is of paramount importance- is that you embarrass yourself without taking notice. A number on a number, fashion that.

Go on with your pistols and rifles, my friend- carry on.
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 05:32 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said you hope that:

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....my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others....


which means you hope that:

1. Those with firearms are of good mind.
2. Those with firearms would not use them on themselves.
3. Those would firearms would not use them on others.

My response was prompted by item 3. If one will not use a gun on others, what's the point of having it?


Item '3' is a given.

It is called an implicit 'correlation' between them, which here is to mean that the first quote above- whoever wrote it- meant that her hope is i. based on item '1' and ii. the latter conjunct applies to the relation of the - (or not) '1' in correlation to not '2' and not '3'. What do you think?

As for your prompt, I agree: what is the point then if '1' is true and we are to swallow item '3'? The condition, I say, would be if they are enthusiasts and completely against using them.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:52 pm
mellow yellow wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, (sarcasm on the way...) I suppose the extension 'of good mind' should be tossed away from that statement. You are ignoring the condition, my man! Shocked THE CONDITION>


Surely you jest.

The purpose is for citizens to protect themselves from the government and the self protection of law abiding citizens.


Actually I have had enough of your pettiness- and it's not even of the impressive sort. Your kind has been met with time and time again by any logician, so smirk all you want and continue to be legendary in your own mind. You miss pertinent points other make; whatever you miss you then twist to inch up that flimsy prejudice (about a point you know not what) and proceed to conclude that very same prejudice; you consider nothing in the way of how you derive it, you continue anyway (perhaps even posting ludicrous images of your side of it to add strength to thin-air "theorems"), and then you cheer on about playing a number on yourself; and what is more- which some would say is of paramount importance- is that you embarrass yourself without taking notice. A number on a number, fashion that.

Go on with your pistols and rifles, my friend- carry on.


Are you watching yourself in the mirror as you type that crap?

Not enjoying what you see?

Out of ammo?

carry on.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jul, 2008 09:22 pm
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others. A recent article in Metro noted that half (yes, half! Shocked ) of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides, and one-fifth involved turning their guns on others. I find this regrettable and, of course, preventable.


I suppose that one's take on the statistic involving gun ownership and sucide depends upon one's take on suicide, and the degree to which it should be prevented, but that's a subject for another thread. Suffice it to say that I don't believe that suicide should be a consideration in the question of whether or not to ban guns.

Following on brandon's point, did the Metro statistic that indicated one-fifth of all gun related deaths involved the owners using them on others include incidents of self-defense?

Whether one might end up using it in anger rather than self-defense is something one should consider before purchasing a firearm. The problem is that the sort of people most likely to use a gun in anger are probably not going to give the possibility much consideration, nor be easily recognized if they do not have a criminal background. So the question is should the State outlaw guns because some who own them will use them on family, friends, or neighbors in moments of extreme anger? I think not. If it could be shown that 90% or better of people who own guns eventually use them in anger on innocents, I might reconsider, but that's not the case.

In any case, since the government, obviously, cannot keep guns out of the hands of criminals and thugs, nor completely safeguard my family and I from acts of violence by criminals and thugs, I'm very much against it trying to keep guns out of my hands or the hands of my fellow law abiding citizens.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2008 08:08 am
ebrown_p wrote:
It is the Supreme court's job to interpret the Constitution. This decision is well-reasoned.

There is a certain irony of Conservative Judges, whose supporters are always complaining about "activist" judges overturning the will of the elected legislatures (and the people), making this particular decision.

No, actually there isn't. When a judge claims that something is in the Constitution that is never mentioned in it anywhere, he opens himself up to questions of judicial legislation. The issue of bearing arms is explicitly referred to, and the only issue is whether the first phrase in the second amendment constitutes a limit on the second phrase. A decision you don't like hardly constitutes judicial activism.
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