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U.S. Supreme Court rules against D.C. Handgun Ban

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 06:57 pm
That's what I like to see, newspapers that have no slightest understanding of personal liberty nor comprehension of the greatness of our national Constitution. I'd wager that Madison knew this was going to happen and constructed the document to resist the constant attempts to move the country towards tyranny. Thank heavens that our government was designed by very smart people with respect for liberty.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:11 am
It seems to me that Leftists can have it both ways:

The fascist government of George Bush is prepared to stage a coup and dissolve our constitution!

and

We have a strong government and army, why do individual citizens need weapons?

W is gone in January 09 despite all the bellicose liberals that have been predicting for the last 8 years that we will become Amerika (obscure reference to dated mini-series).

I'm not worried about tyrants (although if I were I would be dead set against licensing), I'm worried about criminals and the break down of society.

I've never owned a gun, but I will soon be buying one. My kids are all adults and out of the house and my wife's passionate hatred for me has mellowed into indifference. I can now have a loaded shotgun under my bed without fear.

Katrina was a wake up call.

It doesn't take much to blow away the rule of law, and whether it's a hurricane, an earthquake, or avian flu, I do not intend to be a victim of the aftermath.

Meanwhile, I have the latest in home security measure, including a Safe Room, but if someone breaks in and the alarm goes off, it is far too long before the cops get there, or my wife and I can get to the Safe Room. (The house was pre-owned OK - blame the idiotic former owners Smile )

Frankly, it's cheaper to get a shot gun then to move the Safe Room adjacent to our bedroom closet.

Woe betide anyone that gets between us and my Safe Room.

I'll admit it if no one else will, it's cool to own a gun, and I can and so unless there are overriding reasons not to (kids in the house), I will.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:15 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


We have a strong government and army, why do individual citizens need weapons?


Why?

Because that fascist Obama will weaken our government and military if his is elected.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:33 am
Weird. I've always thought fascists were known for strengthening the government and the military......
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:34 am
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:36 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


We have a strong government and army, why do individual citizens need weapons?


Why?

Because that fascist Obama will weaken our government and military if his is elected.


I meant Marxist
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:36 am
Gandhi.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:37 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


We have a strong government and army, why do individual citizens need weapons?


Why?

Because that fascist Obama will weaken our government and military if his is elected.


I meant Marxist



Or maybe Communist, or Stalinist, or something like that, right?

No need to make reality-based statements, for that matter....
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 06:42 am
old europe wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


We have a strong government and army, why do individual citizens need weapons?


Why?

Because that fascist Obama will weaken our government and military if his is elected.


I meant Marxist



Or maybe Communist, or Stalinist, or something like that, right?

No need to make reality-based statements, for that matter....


Yeah, the talking point Obama sent me are like that ...
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:32 pm
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I'm not worried about tyrants (although if I were I would be dead set against licensing), I'm worried about criminals and the break down of society.


Both are deleterious to liberty proper, but I would say the latter is more of an immediate threat if it were to occur- unless, of course, the tyrant immediately rids his State of an imminent plague of the criminal element.

Quote:
I've never owned a gun, but I will soon be buying one. My kids are all adults and out of the house and my wife's passionate hatred for me has mellowed into indifference. I can now have a loaded shotgun under my bed without fear.


A firearm is not completely unnecessary, but I can do without one; depends on on your case, I suppose. If you are going for a shotgun, you might as well look up Benelli's automatic- my lord!

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Katrina was a wake up call.

It doesn't take much to blow away the rule of law, and whether it's a hurricane, an earthquake, or avian flu, I do not intend to be a victim of the aftermath.


That is understandable: I too would not want to be caught "pants down" so to speak. My own emergency evacuation plan (aka, EEP - God I love acronyms!) does not require any firearm. Knife, yes; but no firearm.

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Meanwhile, I have the latest in home security measure, including a Safe Room, but if someone breaks in and the alarm goes off, it is far too long before the cops get there, or my wife and I can get to the Safe Room. (The house was pre-owned OK - blame the idiotic former owners Smile )


A safe room? I saw it in the movie 'Hostage' and I do admit that its efficacy is rather questionable, since I have heard that common contractor tools could break it. Or are those rumors wrong? But I guess a firearm would have the final say.

If there are no children in your home and you are of good mind, it is not a bad precaution to own. It is only a detriment given its power to kill at any moment of use, and if used properly, I do not think it is a problem. Of course, the PO that responds to a call may be edgy if he is informed that a shotgun is on premises (which would call in about four patrol cars).

Enjoy!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 12:43 am
mellow yellow wrote:
Quote:
I'm not worried about tyrants (although if I were I would be dead set against licensing), I'm worried about criminals and the break down of society.


Both are deleterious to liberty proper, but I would say the latter is more of an immediate threat if it were to occur- unless, of course, the tyrant immediately rids his State of an imminent plague of the criminal element.

Quote:
I've never owned a gun, but I will soon be buying one. My kids are all adults and out of the house and my wife's passionate hatred for me has mellowed into indifference. I can now have a loaded shotgun under my bed without fear.


A firearm is not completely unnecessary, but I can do without one; depends on on your case, I suppose. If you are going for a shotgun, you might as well look up Benelli's automatic- my lord!

Quote:
Katrina was a wake up call.

It doesn't take much to blow away the rule of law, and whether it's a hurricane, an earthquake, or avian flu, I do not intend to be a victim of the aftermath.


That is understandable: I too would not want to be caught "pants down" so to speak. My own emergency evacuation plan (aka, EEP - God I love acronyms!) does not require any firearm. Knife, yes; but no firearm.

Quote:
Meanwhile, I have the latest in home security measure, including a Safe Room, but if someone breaks in and the alarm goes off, it is far too long before the cops get there, or my wife and I can get to the Safe Room. (The house was pre-owned OK - blame the idiotic former owners Smile )


A safe room? I saw it in the movie 'Hostage' and I do admit that its efficacy is rather questionable, since I have heard that common contractor tools could break it. Or are those rumors wrong? But I guess a firearm would have the final say.

If there are no children in your home and you are of good mind, it is not a bad precaution to own. It is only a detriment given its power to kill at any moment of use, and if used properly, I do not think it is a problem. Of course, the PO that responds to a call may be edgy if he is informed that a shotgun is on premises (which would call in about four patrol cars).

Enjoy!


Was that the movie with Jodie Foster?

If so, remember that the crooks were insanely intent upon breaking into her Safe Room. Great for the narrative of that movie but highly unlikely to
replicate itself in my life.

If my family and I can get into our Safe Room we are golden, because the chances of a Forest Whitaker character hell bent on breaking through are effectively nill.

I still want a weapon to fill in the gaps.
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:09 am
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others. A recent article in Metro noted that half (yes, half! Shocked ) of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides, and one-fifth involved turning their guns on others. I find this regrettable and, of course, preventable.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:24 am
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others.


Yeah, but this thread is about the use of fire arms for self protection.
Preventing other people from harming innocent law abiding people is the purpose.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 09:18 am
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others. A recent article in Metro noted that half (yes, half! Shocked ) of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides, and one-fifth involved turning their guns on others. I find this regrettable and, of course, preventable.

I'm not quite sure what the point of a gun is, if you're not willing to use it "on others" when needed.
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 11:09 am
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Yeah, but this thread is about the use of fire arms for self protection.
Preventing other people from harming innocent law abiding people is the purpose.


First, you imply that I, being the author of this thread, somehow neglected the primary intent- thus the subject- of the thread. Questionable.

Next, on the basis of this alone (in your mind, that is), you proceed to note that "...preventing other people from harming innocent law-abiding people is the purpose..." Shocked

Surely you jest. Even Sesame Street points to better reasoning.
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 11:17 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others. A recent article in Metro noted that half (yes, half! Shocked ) of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides, and one-fifth involved turning their guns on others. I find this regrettable and, of course, preventable.

I'm not quite sure what the point of a gun is, if you're not willing to use it "on others" when needed.


Forgive me, Brandon, though I was under the impression the the first conjunction was indicative of your modifier "...when needed." That is, I specified the condition in which it could be justified; but also I specified the reason for a prayer etc. Using a firearm on yourself does not fall under "when needed," and using it on others for reasons other than security- such as infidelity, tense feelings because s/he makes more money, or I want his car etc- definitely does not constitute "when needed." May I ask, are you not of the opinion that I understand this?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 11:28 am
mellow yellow wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, a firearm such as an automatic shotgun would surely fill in the gap.

No, seriously, my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others. A recent article in Metro noted that half (yes, half! Shocked ) of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides, and one-fifth involved turning their guns on others. I find this regrettable and, of course, preventable.

I'm not quite sure what the point of a gun is, if you're not willing to use it "on others" when needed.


Forgive me, Brandon, though I was under the impression the the first conjunction was indicative of your modifier "...when needed." That is, I specified the condition in which it could be justified; but also I specified the reason for a prayer etc. Using a firearm on yourself does not fall under "when needed," and using it on others for reasons other than security- such as infidelity, tense feelings because s/he makes more money, or I want his car etc- definitely does not constitute "when needed." May I ask, are you not of the opinion that I understand this?

No, not based on your post:

mellow yellow wrote:
....my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others....
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mellow yellow
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 12:53 pm
Yes, (sarcasm on the way...) I suppose the extension 'of good mind' should be tossed away from that statement. You are ignoring the condition, my man! Shocked THE CONDITION>
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 01:10 pm
mellow yellow wrote:
Yes, (sarcasm on the way...) I suppose the extension 'of good mind' should be tossed away from that statement. You are ignoring the condition, my man! Shocked THE CONDITION>


Surely you jest.

The purpose is for citizens to protect themselves from the government and the self protection of law abiding citizens.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2008 04:22 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said you hope that:

Quote:
....my point is that I pray those with firearms are of good mind and would not use them on themselves or others....


which means you hope that:

1. Those with firearms are of good mind.
2. Those with firearms would not use them on themselves.
3. Those would firearms would not use them on others.

My response was prompted by item 3. If one will not use a gun on others, what's the point of having it?
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