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Sun 22 Jun, 2008 04:02 am
The fare will rise as from January 11.
Do you say 'January eleventh' or 'January eleven'?
Many thanks.
You can say either one. Personally, i would probably say January "eleventh," but i have heard people say it the other way.
And I would say, "The fare will rise on January 11th", or
"The fare will rise on the eleventh of January". Either is correct.
Using a cardinal number for the date is more typical of American English, and using an ordinal number is more typical of UK (British English)
Cardinal numbers are counting numbers: one, two, three.
Ordinal numbers denote ranking or order: first, second, third.
Americans say "January eleventh"
British say "the eleventh of January".
In written (American) English, it would be inappropriate to spell out the number in the date. It is also perfectly acceptable, and preferable in some cases, to write the date without the "th."
So it would be perfectly fine to write: "The fare will rise as of January 11."
If you're speaking, you would say, "The fare will rise as of January eleventh."
(Note: "as from" is wrong; "as of" is right.)
With respect, it's not right in this part of the world.
We would rather say "from".
Roberta wrote:In written (American) English, it would be inappropriate to spell out the number in the date. It is also perfectly acceptable, and preferable in some cases, to write the date without the "th."
So it would be perfectly fine to write: "The fare will rise as of January 11."
If you're speaking, you would say, "The fare will rise as of January eleventh."
(Note: "as from" is wrong; "as of" is right.)
I think in BrE, it would be read as 'January the eleventh'.
tanguatlay wrote:Roberta wrote:In written (American) English, it would be inappropriate to spell out the number in the date. It is also perfectly acceptable, and preferable in some cases, to write the date without the "th."
So it would be perfectly fine to write: "The fare will rise as of January 11."
If you're speaking, you would say, "The fare will rise as of January eleventh."
(Note: "as from" is wrong; "as of" is right.)
I think in BrE, it would be read as 'January the eleventh'.
Quite correct, but we could equally also say "the eleventh of January".
I quite like the American usage in these cases. It's shorter and neater.
McTag, you would use both "as" and "from"? Us Usaians would say either "as of" or "from"...
Wy wrote:McTag, you would use both "as" and "from"? Us Usaians would say either "as of" or "from"...
No, I meant "from" on its own.
Whew. Thought y'all were getting fancy on me. "From" would work fine over here too, but we're lazy and "as of" is more common.
McTag wrote:With respect, it's not right in this part of the world.
We would rather say "from".
Yeah, but we outnumber ya by more than five to one, and our navy can kick your navy's ass with one carrier task force tied behind its back . . .
And by the way, this:
contrex wrote:Using a cardinal number for the date is more typical of American English . . .
. . . is pure bullshit. I've been a literate speaker of the American language for more than 50 years, and that it is not just simply that that is not my experience, it in fact contradicts my experience.
I sometimes think Contrex makes some of this up as he goes along . . .
Setanta wrote:McTag wrote:With respect, it's not right in this part of the world.
We would rather say "from".
Yeah, but we outnumber ya by more than five to one, and our navy can kick your navy's ass with one carrier task force tied behind its back . . .
Sadly, as the English language spread out across the world, it got more dilute and ill-defined at the wilder fringes...... :wink:
Setanta wrote:McTag wrote:With respect, it's not right in this part of the world.
We would rather say "from".
Yeah, but we outnumber ya by more than five to one, and our navy can kick your navy's ass with one carrier task force tied behind its back . . .
I love a good, well-reasoned argument!
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