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Should Susan Atkins Go Free; She is Dying

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 12:51 pm
U wanna check with Roman Polanski ?

Is he still hiding out in France ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 12:53 pm
I guess that young lady is probably an adult, by now.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 12:55 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

how is the fact that she's older and is dying mean justice? that happened to Sister Teresa.



..............what?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 01:01 pm
I voted yes, very much agreeing with Diane (p. 2).
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 09:39 pm
Diane wrote:
If all those posting on this thread had a legitimate decision that would determine where Susan Atkins spent the last few months of her life, knowing that she will die no matter where she is, I would go along with the majority decision.

My personal opinion is yes, she should be able to go home to die. She really lost her life 37 years ago. What she did was so heinous that it is beyond the comprhension of most of us here, but what does compassion mean?

What I'm hearing here sounds much like revenge for the horrible act she commited. The attitude is--"she did it, so nothing, under any circumstances, should be done to provide momentary compassion in her dying days."

Doesn't compassion rise above the elemental, prehistoric, need for revenge that does not take into consideration the present circumstances? Letting her die at home does not mean condoning what she did, it only means that we, as a society, can understand the need for compassion even when the person involved, no matter how vile, has already paid her debt to society by losing any chance at a normal life and being aware every minute of every day that she will never live like everyday people do. I agree with that punishment completely.

I just hope and wish that compassion was looked on more generously. It doesn't make us 'wimpy," it doesn't make us disrespectful of the law, it shows that we, as a society, are capable of showing mercy for the death wishes of even the most horrible human being. It shows that we can rise above that primal need for endless punishment.

This woman does not seem truly human to me, but she also lost her life when she was convicted. Maybe she hasn't paid enough for what she did, but her dying days, to me, should be spent with family.

As for the expense, even if her family can't pay for her treatment, we all have been paying for it anyway and we will continue to do so no matter where she is when she dies.

We already TOOK our revenge.
WE won; she lost. We kept her in a cement box for 37 years.

Heavy odds thay will wait until she is dead
before deciding whether to grant her compassionate early release
( as if it were worth anything ).


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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 06:42 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Diane wrote:
If all those posting on this thread had a legitimate decision that would determine where Susan Atkins spent the last few months of her life, knowing that she will die no matter where she is, I would go along with the majority decision.

My personal opinion is yes, she should be able to go home to die. She really lost her life 37 years ago. What she did was so heinous that it is beyond the comprhension of most of us here, but what does compassion mean?

What I'm hearing here sounds much like revenge for the horrible act she commited. The attitude is--"she did it, so nothing, under any circumstances, should be done to provide momentary compassion in her dying days."

Doesn't compassion rise above the elemental, prehistoric, need for revenge that does not take into consideration the present circumstances? Letting her die at home does not mean condoning what she did, it only means that we, as a society, can understand the need for compassion even when the person involved, no matter how vile, has already paid her debt to society by losing any chance at a normal life and being aware every minute of every day that she will never live like everyday people do. I agree with that punishment completely.

I just hope and wish that compassion was looked on more generously. It doesn't make us 'wimpy," it doesn't make us disrespectful of the law, it shows that we, as a society, are capable of showing mercy for the death wishes of even the most horrible human being. It shows that we can rise above that primal need for endless punishment.

This woman does not seem truly human to me, but she also lost her life when she was convicted. Maybe she hasn't paid enough for what she did, but her dying days, to me, should be spent with family.

As for the expense, even if her family can't pay for her treatment, we all have been paying for it anyway and we will continue to do so no matter where she is when she dies.

We already TOOK our revenge.
WE won; she lost. We kept her in a cement box for 37 years.

Heavy odds thay will wait until she is dead
before deciding whether to grant her compassionate early release
( as if it were worth anything ).


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And she put 8 people in a box....permanently. 37 years pales in comparison.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:10 am
That 's a good argument.

I have always supported vengeance.
( R u sure that 's the count ? )


My point is that she already lost
n we already won. We destroyed her life.

Her freedom NOW is a trivial matter that she cannot enjoy,
if its true as her husband alleges that she can 't even sit up in bed.

Y is it important to take the last drop of blood ?

The argument is a tempest in a teapot.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:11 am
We have not 'won'


Her sentence was a death sentence with out parole.

Give her parole and she does not serve the term she was told she would.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:11 am
Y r u digging a really big hole in India ?


I went there in 1984.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:12 am
well.. not DEATH sentence.. it was a life sentence with out parole.

she she gets parole in life.. she does not get the full sentence she was told she would
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:13 am
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:16 am
shewolfnm wrote:
We have not 'won'


Her sentence was a death sentence with out parole.

Give her parole and she does not serve the term she was told she would.

She is approximately dead
( if its true that she can 't sit up in bed ).

It surprizes me that she bothers to raise the question,
in her current state of health; her freedom is worthless to her.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:21 am
I cud be rong,
but I 'd bet the judge does not care
( in this circumstance ).
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 07:26 am
Quote:
She is approximately dead


If her victims were approximately dead.. she would not have gotten a life sentence, nor would she be considered a murderer.

I see your point. I really do.
I was ... in my first couple of posts.. not seeing the issue of letting her go home and wondering why she as still in jail to begin with.
Then I remembered what she did and how many she killed..

and most anyone else who has killed that many people are already dead ( by the hands of the state) or they have absolutely NO chance of getting out no matter what.
So what makes her the special serial killer? Because she is a woman?

ppbbthh.. nah
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 10:28 am
shewolfnm wrote:
Quote:
She is approximately dead


If her victims were approximately dead.. she would not have gotten a life sentence,
nor would she be considered a murderer.

I see your point. I really do.
I was ... in my first couple of posts..
not seeing the issue of letting her go home and wondering why
she as still in jail to begin with.
Then I remembered what she did and how many she killed..

and most anyone else who has killed that many people are already dead
( by the hands of the state) or they have absolutely NO chance
of getting out no matter what.


So what makes her the special serial killer?
Because she is a woman?

ppbbthh.. nah

Well, over the years, it has ofen been my practice to give chics a break;
try to make life a little nicer for them,
however, in this case Susan n friends took out a lot of chics,
and we r avenging THEM.

That moves me to recognize the merit of your argument,
but the fact remains that the sentence was already executed,
the difference being trivial n negligible.
That cuts both ways:
granting her request wud bring her very little happiness, in her circumstance.
I believe that she will be forgotten n procrastinated to death.

She will be liberated by death,
but MORE interesting is:
what will happen to her thereafter.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 10:34 am
We r avenging the guys, too, simultaneously.



Its sad; IF thay had 1 or 2 defensive guns
and if thay started popping off at the the intruders,
those children (almost) wud have fled in panic.


Literally, thay got killed for being helpless
and for allowing themselves to be tied up with rope.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jun, 2008 09:32 pm
If thay REALLY wanna be nasty about it,
thay can wait until she is dead, and (just to throw salt into the dead wound)
THEN grant her application for compassionate early release.


or magnanimously do it when she is in a terminal coma





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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2008 12:54 pm
The last two posts have left me shaking my head and questioning the sanity and moral fibre of the writer.
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Mame
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2008 01:06 pm
Hang the Bitch!



:wink:

Just the last two, Intrepid? Very Happy
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2008 01:13 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
So what makes her the special serial killer? Because she is a woman?


original post wrote:


so - not special because she's a woman

the requests are occasionally made and occasionally granted (1/6 odds, not bad, better than "rare")

I kind of like the idea of the family picking up the tab vs the government paying, but not my money or my government's money, so <shrug> keeping her in for the last months costs Americans not me.
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