The Lionization Of Edward Kennedy

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

dlowan wrote:
"Why are you guys wasting your time with lesser demons like me?"

Practice.

Somehow I don't think this was intended to insult snood and JTT, but of course it does.

Maybe I'm wrong though and you hold the two in the same low regard I do.

Nahhh... Just a smug, glib misfire.

Very nice.

You're way way too sensitive, Finn. Take a deep breath. You are loved despite your goofy ideas. Smile

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

dlowan wrote:
"Why are you guys wasting your time with lesser demons like me?"

Practice.

Somehow I don't think this was intended to insult snood and JTT, but of course it does.

Maybe I'm wrong though and you hold the two in the same low regard I do.

Nahhh... Just a smug, glib misfire.

Very nice.

You are SUCH a wally.

Actually, it wasn't intended to insult anyone....not even you.

I thought your comment was kind of funny...I like irony....and I answered in the same ironic vein....ie that arguing with you was good practice for dealing with the greater demons. I also think the point you sort of made by your comment, about how much energy we waste getting steamed up with each other on an internet forum, instead of doing something out there, where the "greater demons" are, is an ongoingly good point, and I am often laughing at myself for that.

I'll remember that you are a humour free zone in future.

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engineer wrote:

Everyone seems to be talking past each other here. It's pretty obvious that Kennedy was a spoiled brat as a youth and a highly irresponsible young man who used his father's connections to avoid responsibility for his conduct. It is also obvious that as a middle aged and now senior statesman, he has garnered respect from both sides of the isle and will receive the same ovation upon leaving the Senate that Dole did. We just have to live with the dichotomy.

Ah... the voice of reason can be such a surprisingly soothing relief.. especially when it is surprisingly rare to be heard...

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nimh wrote:

engineer wrote:
Everyone seems to be talking past each other here. It's pretty obvious that Kennedy was a spoiled brat as a youth and a highly irresponsible young man who used his father's connections to avoid responsibility for his conduct. It is also obvious that as a middle aged and now senior statesman, he has garnered respect from both sides of the isle and will receive the same ovation upon leaving the Senate that Dole did. We just have to live with the dichotomy.

Ah... the voice of reason can be such a surprisingly soothing relief.. especially when it is surprisingly rare to be heard...

But should the actions of his youth and his irresponsibility be cancelled out by his actions as a Senator?

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"cancelled out" ...
How does that work? Can't we just acknowledge the dichotomy (as, after all, one exists in all humans), like engineer said?

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snood wrote:

"cancelled out" ...
How does that work? Can't we just acknowledge the dichotomy (as, after all, one exists in all humans), like engineer said?

Sure we can, and I do.
But that doesnt mean that we ignore the actions of his youth, or his irresponsibility then or now.

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"Ignore" ...little hazy about that one, too - if we don't mention the worst thing the man ever did every time we talk of him, is that "ignoring" his past?

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mysteryman wrote:

snood wrote:
"cancelled out" ...
How does that work? Can't we just acknowledge the dichotomy (as, after all, one exists in all humans), like engineer said?

Sure we can, and I do.
But that doesnt mean that we ignore the actions of his youth, or his irresponsibility then or now.

But your selectivity, MM, brands you as a blind partisan.

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JTT wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
snood wrote:
"cancelled out" ...
How does that work? Can't we just acknowledge the dichotomy (as, after all, one exists in all humans), like engineer said?

Sure we can, and I do.
But that doesnt mean that we ignore the actions of his youth, or his irresponsibility then or now.

But your selectivity, MM, brands you as a blind partisan.

What selectivity?

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mysteryman wrote:

What selectivity?

Any ole posting of yours would do, MM.

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snood wrote:
MM, this just makes you look disingenuous. You know dang well McCain's age and history would make his health more suspect. Well, to a reasonably objective person, it would.

That wasnt my point.
I was simply pointing out that nobody seems to care that Obama hasnt released his.

Also, as a black man, Obama is predisposed to certain diseases, ones that strike the black community with more prevalene then the white community.

How do we know he doesnt have any of those diseases?

I am speaking about diseases like
Sickle Cell Anemia
http://www.blackhealthcare.com/BHC/SickleCell/Description.asp
AIDS
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2006supp_vol12no1/table8.htm

and others.
As a citizen, I have the right to know if he has ever had or has now those diseases.

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JTT wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

What selectivity?

Any ole posting of yours would do, MM.

Then pick one about Kennedy or Obama that shows I have been selective or lied about what I have said.
It shouldnt be hard for you to do.
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snood wrote:
MM, this just makes you look disingenuous. You know dang well McCain's age and history would make his health more suspect. Well, to a reasonably objective person, it would.

That wasnt my point.
I was simply pointing out that nobody seems to care that Obama hasnt released his.

Also, as a black man, Obama is predisposed to certain diseases, ones that strike the black community with more prevalene then the white community.

How do we know he doesnt have any of those diseases?

I am speaking about diseases like
Sickle Cell Anemia
http://www.blackhealthcare.com/BHC/SickleCell/Description.asp
AIDS
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/2006supp_vol12no1/table8.htm

and others.
As a citizen, I have the right to know if he has ever had or has now those diseases.

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mysteryman wrote:

As a citizen, I have the right to know if he has ever had or has now those diseases.

Could you give me the legal source for this right, please?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

As a citizen, I have the right to know if he has ever had or has now those diseases.

Could you give me the legal source for this right, please?

No I cant.
I am just echoing the sentiments that seem to be coming from the left about McCains medical records.

I have said it before that any candidates medical records are unimportant and meaningless, but if the left wants to make a big stink about McCains medical records, then their candidate MUST be held to the same standard.

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mysteryman wrote:

I have said it before that any candidates medical records are unimportant and meaningless, but if the left wants to make a big stink about McCains medical records, then their candidate MUST be held to the same standard.

McCain gave the press and public a peek at his medical records in 1999 ... I'm now just trying to fing GWB's medical records from that time ...

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
I have said it before that any candidates medical records are unimportant and meaningless, but if the left wants to make a big stink about McCains medical records, then their candidate MUST be held to the same standard.

McCain gave the press and public a peek at his medical records in 1999 ... I'm now just trying to fing GWB's medical records from that time ...

Why?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have said it before that any candidates medical records are unimportant and meaningless, but if the left wants to make a big stink about McCains medical records, then their candidate MUST be held to the same standard.

McCain gave the press and public a peek at his medical records in 1999 ... I'm now just trying to fing GWB's medical records from that time ...

Why?

Traces of cocaine and other illicit drugs.

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We don't have a legally protected right to receive access to candidates medical records, but when a candidate refuses to release certain information about him or herself, (e.g. medical records, tax returns etc), it is almost certain that the voters will believe something is being hidden.

McCain would have been crazy not to release his records, but before long I expect to see fringe posters blathering about how the records contain coded references to syphilis and dementia. So what? They have already blathered about him having affairs with lobbyists and calling his wife a c*nt in public, but it wasn't for these folks that he needed to come forward with the records. It's not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has suffered from melanoma, just as it is not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has habitually smoked for years.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

...It's not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has suffered from melanoma, just as it is not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has habitually smoked for years.

This brings up an obvious question. With all the efforts of people to ban smoking in public places, the concerns over second hand smoke, and so forth, and so forth, how come there isn't more of a ruckus being made over Obama's smoking habit? Many questions come to mind. Has he actually quit? For good? How can he be a good role model for young people? Has he caused other people's health to suffer by his habit? What does it say about his ability to make good decisions? Is the habit a sign of an addictive personality that may affect his decision making ability, etc.? How come we aren't seeing articles about this, in which all kinds of speculations and analysis are presented?

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okie wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
...It's not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has suffered from melanoma, just as it is not unreasonable to have some concerns for the health of a candidate who has habitually smoked for years.

This brings up an obvious question. With all the efforts of people to ban smoking in public places, the concerns over second hand smoke, and so forth, and so forth, how come there isn't more of a ruckus being made over Obama's smoking habit? Many questions come to mind. Has he actually quit? For good? How can he be a good role model for young people? Has he caused other people's health to suffer by his habit? What does it say about his ability to make good decisions? Is the habit a sign of an addictive personality that may affect his decision making ability, etc.? How come we aren't seeing articles about this, in which all kinds of speculations and analysis are presented?

I'm sure Newsweek and The NYT are preparing major stories right now.

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Do you have information that they they are? I have assumed the issue has been purposely ignored so far, and so why would they come out with it now if they in fact are?

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