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If Something Miraculous Happens

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:10 am
Why would she, of all people, trust them?

Why would she, of all people, fail to read the complete NIE -- which had info that the rest of America didn't have, and which she was strenuously urged to read by senators who ended up voting "no"?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:23 am
I didn't say it was a good thing that she believed the lies.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:25 am
Heh. OK.

I don't think she believed them, though -- that'd almost be better. I think she just figured it would be too politically dangerous to vote "no" at that point, so she made the decision and damn the facts (i.e. not reading the NIE).
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:38 am
Myopic perhaps?

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Don't pretend to believe that she was just lied to by the Bush administration. That's just stupid.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:38 am
(All that said, as with every other time this has been asked -- and how many times has it been now? -- I'd love to vote FOR someone [Obama] rather than just voting AGAINST someone [McCain]. But if Hillary's the nominee I can't quite imagine voting for McCain and I can't quite imagine staying home. Hopefully it's not a decision I'll have to make.)
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 10:16 am
thanks to all who just gave a yes or no answer to a yes or no question...... that's all it was.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 10:52 am
Oh, sorry. Yes or no.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:01 am
I find it the the height of irony that someone who has pledged to stay home rather than vote for a legitimately nominated Obama would ask for a commitment from Obama supporters to vote for Hillary in a scenario in which she would not be the party's legitimate nominee.

I would never vote for McCain and I wouldn't stay home. At this point, I really don't know what I would do. Odd that any progressive or liberal would consider Hillary winning a miracle as the only way she could win is for something DISASTROUS to happen to Obama. I don't equate disasters miraculous.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:17 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
thanks to all who just gave a yes or no answer to a yes or no question...... that's all it was.


Was "I don't know" not an option?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:25 am
yes of course duckie.... sorry...
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:26 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
I find it the the height of irony that someone who has pledged to stay home rather than vote for a legitimately nominated Obama would ask for a commitment from Obama supporters to vote for Hillary in a scenario in which she would not be the party's legitimate nominee.

I would never vote for McCain and I wouldn't stay home. At this point, I really don't know what I would do. Odd that any progressive or liberal would consider Hillary winning a miracle as the only way she could win is for something DISASTROUS to happen to Obama. I don't equate disasters miraculous.


not asking for a commitment just asking a question....
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:39 am
vote early
vote often
vote Kucinich.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:58 am
It's bad news either way for the Dems

Quote:
Among people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters, 28 percent said they would vote for presumptive Republican nominee McCain if Obama is his opponent, the March 7-22 Gallup Poll daily election tracking survey found.

The same poll found that 19 percent supporters of Obama, bidding to be America's first black president, would switch sides and vote for McCain if Clinton, hoping to be the first woman US chief executive, is the Democratic candidate.

The survey interviewed 6,657 Democratic voters nationwide and had a margin of error of two percent. Gallup analysts note that the results could change by November, by which time Democrats will have made great efforts to unify the party.

from http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/hillary-obama-supporters-may-vote-for-mccain_10031669.html

Losing 20+% of the Dem vote to McCain would spell disaster for either Dem nominee in November.

Some states are much worse than others

From W VA
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56% of Hillary's NC supporters won't vote for Obama over McCain
from http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/5/105810/9153

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If Obama is nominated, just 42% of Clinton supporters say they are even somewhat likely to vote for him against McCain. Eighteen percent (18%) of Clinton voters say that they are Not Very Likely to vote for Obama and 35% say they are Not at All Likely to vote for Obama.

On the other hand, if Clinton is nominated, 57% of Obama voters are at least somewhat likely to vote for the former First Lady.
from http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/west_virginia/west_virginia_democratic_presidential_primary

The Dems are much more likely to go for a compromise candidate at the convention under these circumstances.

I wonder how many of the A2Kers who support Hillary OR Obama would vote for a compromise candidate chosen in the smoke filled back room at Denver?[/u]
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:05 pm
Quote:
smoke filled back room
are there degrees of triteness in trite cliches?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:52 pm
Somehow I doubt there are any smoke-filled back rooms any more... not with local anti-smoking ordinances and all...
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:55 pm
Does that mean all the politics is happening in smoke filled back doorways these days?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 01:04 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
If we're talking about the rest of the free world, I presume that they wouldn't care whether or not we have healthcare reform or extend Bush's tax cuts. Those are domestic concerns.
I must disagree!

When it comes to Canada, US domestic economic polices have a very real and direct effect. Tax cuts (for example) are the equivalent of an economic stimulus (much like lowering interest rates).

Thus the US (being Canada's biggest and closest trading partner by a large margin) would reflect such an economic stimulus.

It's been said (and I agree) that when the US sneezes, Canada falls out of bed.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 01:08 pm
So is our sneezing to blame for you falling on your head?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 01:09 pm
Ouch!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 01:56 pm
Chumly wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
If we're talking about the rest of the free world, I presume that they wouldn't care whether or not we have healthcare reform or extend Bush's tax cuts. Those are domestic concerns.
I must disagree!

When it comes to Canada, US domestic economic polices have a very real and direct effect. Tax cuts (for example) are the equivalent of an economic stimulus (much like lowering interest rates).

Thus the US (being Canada's biggest and closest trading partner by a large margin) would reflect such an economic stimulus.

It's been said (and I agree) that when the US sneezes, Canada falls out of bed.


Fair enough. I take it back.
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