What's so wrong with being an elitist?

I think you are living in the clouds with that one, Thomas.

It is not possible that some become politicians out of love of country, or a desire to make things better?

Setanta wrote:

I think you are living in the clouds with that one, Thomas.

Interesting. It's not very often that somebody accuses me of naive idealism.

Setanta wrote:

I think you are living in the clouds with that one, Thomas.

Interesting. It's not very often that somebody accuses me of naive idealism.

Thomas wrote:

Setanta wrote:

I think you are living in the clouds with that one, Thomas.

Interesting. It's not very often that somebody accuses me of naive idealism.

Ah . . . you bitter old cynic, you . . .

Elitist snob!

Now Thomas, dear, you haven't been in the USA long enough to be bitter yet.

Have you applied for your Bitter American permit? I'm not sure how long the waiting list is, but probably a few months. Come to think of it, have you even applied for US citizenship yet? You must do that first. [size=7](Be sure to read the fine print.)[/size]

Eva wrote:

Now Thomas, dear, you haven't been in the USA long enough to be bitter yet.

Have you applied for your Bitter American permit? I'm not sure how long the waiting list is, but probably a few months. Come to think of it, have you even applied for US citizenship yet? You must do that first. [size=7](Be sure to read the fine print.)[/size]

Didn't have to. The Department of Homeland Security messed up my container from Germany and broke half of my furniture in their customs inspection. Now my American logistics company and their insurance play hide and seek with me, refusing to return my phone calls.


But hey, anything for y'all's homeland security. Different story.

The McCain-Lobbyist Connection

Not only does the McCain campaign have more current and former lobbyist bundlers than any other candidate, but McCain has more current and former lobbyists working on his campaign staff than any other candidate in the 2008 presidential election. Media Matters for America has previously catalogued the extensive number of lobbyists and their deep connections to industries, such as the communication and financial industries, which McCain oversaw as chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.

As the graphic below illustrates, McCain's presidential campaign is chock full of former and current lobbyists. Point your mouse at one of the campaign staffers surrounding McCain to see who they have lobbied for.

http://mediamattersaction.org/freeride/lobbyists/

McCain's Cronies: Busting Media Myths On McCain's Lobbyist Hypocrisy


Politics is a dirty business, at least the way it is played in the Beltway. Pretending that McCain has clean hands when his highest-ranking advisors are shoveling the muck is both illogical and dishonest. And the media knows it. But keeping "Sprinkles" McCain happy is more important to them than ferreting out the whole truth for the public so that we can know exactly what is and is not on the table for the upcoming election cycle.

Take a look at this graphic put together by Media Matters of McCain's lobbyist ties -- and ask yourself why there has been repetitive coverage of bowling and orange juice and tears, and so little coverage of this enormous network of moneyed-lobbyist interest in the campaign of a man who is a self-styled, self-proclaimed anti-lobbyist kinda guy. Hypocrisy, much?

Especially since the media elites have known about these deep McCain/lobbyist ties since the 2000 presidential campaign.

Americans deserve the whole truth -- not just the finger-licking-rib buddy treatment that the media has been giving McCain. Hypocrisy on a signature PR issue ought to be a big story, if the media were functioning properly in its role of asking the tough questions. But, as Media Matters shows, what we've been getting is the rare glimpse of good reporting on these issues surrounded by a whole lot of fluff and nonsense. We deserve better.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christy-hardin-smith/mccains-cronies-busting-m_b_97266.html

DrewDad wrote:

Thomas wrote:

I'm not looking for philosopher kings. Indeed, I said I want to be governed to only a very limited extent at all. But to think there's a rationale for government at all, and not to think that the government should be run by good rather than average people, that's what doesn't make sense to me. And I stand by that.

I have a feeling the founding fathers shared your views.

I doubt that. Upon what evidence to you allege that this were the case? What about the Constitution, for example, mitigates in against mediocrity in government?

Setanta wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

Thomas wrote:

I'm not looking for philosopher kings. Indeed, I said I want to be governed to only a very limited extent at all. But to think there's a rationale for government at all, and not to think that the government should be run by good rather than average people, that's what doesn't make sense to me. And I stand by that.

I have a feeling the founding fathers shared your views.

I doubt that. Upon what evidence to you allege that this were the case? What about the Constitution, for example, mitigates in against mediocrity in government?

Would you say that those that wrote the Constition were not elitists?

DrewDad wrote:

Setanta wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

Thomas wrote:

I'm not looking for philosopher kings. Indeed, I said I want to be governed to only a very limited extent at all. But to think there's a rationale for government at all, and not to think that the government should be run by good rather than average people, that's what doesn't make sense to me. And I stand by that.

I have a feeling the founding fathers shared your views.

I doubt that. Upon what evidence to you allege that this were the case? What about the Constitution, for example, mitigates in against mediocrity in government?

Would you say that those that wrote the Constition were not elitists?

Some were, some weren't.

You haven't answered my question. I just answered yours, but i suspect you actually have no answer to my question.