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Carter and Gore to Tell Hillary to Get Out?

 
 
Reply Sun 13 Apr, 2008 12:05 am
hope this is true


It's Obama, stupid: Carter and Gore to end Clinton bid

By Chris Stephen
in New York
DEMOCRAT grandees Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are being lined-up to deliver the coup de grĂ¢ce to Hillary Clinton and end her campaign to become president.
Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

Former president Carter and former vice-president Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she must stand down for the good of the Democrats.

"They're in discussions," a source close to Carter told Scotland on Sunday. "Carter has been talking to Gore. They will act, possibly together, or in sequence."

An appeal by both men for Democrats to unite behind Clinton's rival, Barack Obama, would have a powerful effect, and insiders say it is a question of when, rather than if, they act.

Obama has an almost unassailable lead in the battle for nomination delegates, and is closing the gap with Clinton in her last stronghold, Pennsylvania, which votes on April 22.

Clinton remains publicly defiant, insisting she will continue the battle with Obama all the way to the Democratic convention in August - when superdelegates, or party top brass, will have the chance to add their weight to primary votes.

But the party's top brass have concluded her further participation in the race can only harm the party as Republican nominee John McCain strives to take advantage of her increasingly bitter battle with Obama.

Both Carter and Gore occupy the rarefied position of elder statesmen - in addition to their White House past, both are winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, giving them additional gravitas to carry the party with them.

Neither of them is likely to object to the role of bringing down the curtain on Clinton. While neither man has formally endorsed either her or Obama, both have clashed in the past with the Clintons.

Gore blames his loss to George Bush in the 2000 presidential election on the impeachment of Clinton triggered by his White House affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Carter, who has carved out a successful career as an international mediator, is believed to detest the flashy style of the Clintons. He recently told an interviewer that his entire family are committed Obama supporters.

A number of options are being considered by the higher echelons of the Democrats, but they fall roughly into two categories. One is for Carter and Gore to go to Clinton privately and ask her to step down. The other is for both men to appear in public and endorse Obama - a move which would see a majority of superdelegates go with them.

The campaign to force Clinton to make an early exit is being masterminded in Congress, home to the most influential of the superdelegates. Senate Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have called on superdelegates to hold an unofficial congress in early June to anoint a winner, rather than waiting for the convention in Denver.

Pelosi has drawn withering fire from the Clinton camp for saying that these superdelegates must follow the national vote, with Clinton insisting that they should "vote with their conscience".

Yet some in the Democratic elite are wary of moving too soon. Polls show that 30% of Clinton's supporters would vote for McCain if she fails to become the nominee. To close off Clinton's bid before millions have had the chance to vote risks causing the very split that officials are desperate to avoid.

But a loss to Obama, or even a single-digit victory, in Pennsylvania will seal Clinton's fate. Pennsylvania is the last big state left in the race, and the last chance for Clinton to claw back Obama's delegate lead. "If he (Obama] wins (Pennsylvania] flat out, I think the big foot will come down," a source said.

Anything less than a resounding victory by her will probably see the race choked off ahead of the final primaries on June 3.

In the 10 remaining primaries, only a catastrophic loss of support by Obama will see Clinton overcome his lead of 160 delegates.

She admits she has little chance of winning the public vote, and is basing her strategy on convincing party-appointed superdelegates that she is, in her own words, the more "electable" of the two candidates.

Clinton enjoys strong support among superdelegates, many from a party elite who worked for her husband Bill during his years in the White House. There are more than 350 superdelegates who have yet to show a preference, potentially enough to rub out Obama's lead and give the presidency to Clinton.

But historically, superdelegates have never gone against the public vote, and party insiders say they would face a revolt, or even riots, if they were to do so now.

Obama's campaign has been a phenomenon in American politics, bringing in record numbers of new voters and record funding, and few think the superdelegates would dare deny him victory if he wins the popular vote.

It would also invite the unedifying spectacle of a mostly white elite denying an African American candidate a chance for the presidency. "It would cause a scandal to do that," says one party official. "To turn around to the black community and say, 'You got the most votes, but no'? Unlikely."

Clinton insists she will see her campaign through to the final primaries in June, and then on to the national convention, where her supporters have powerful lobbies in the organising committees.

But a chain of events in the past two weeks has worked to undermine this strategy, pulling the rug from under her claim to be more experienced and better organised than Obama.

It began with her extraordinary suggestion that she braved sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996, a statement contradicted by TV footage showing the event was peaceful.

There are suggestions that the long list of wealthy benefactors may be expecting favours to be returned once Hillary is in the White House, suggestions sharpened by the Clinton's refusal to release the list of donors to the William J. Clinton Presidential Library.

Such conflict-of-interest issues came into the open last week when it emerged that Clinton's chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn, was lobbying for the Colombian government to secure a free trade agreement with America, despite Clinton's public opposition to such a deal. Penn stepped down, the second high-profile sacking of a campaign manager this year.

Together with reports that Clinton's money troubles have left her unable to pay event organisers and even the health insurance of her staff, the impression is of a campaign in trouble.

These issues have undermined Clinton's claim to be more "electable", with her own stormy campaign contrasting with the disciplined control of Obama's organisation.

Obama himself has refrained from criticism on these issues, his staff keen to portray their candidate as "presidential" and above the fray.

Conspiracy theorists among her opponents claim Clinton is prolonging the race not because she hopes to win, but to inflict such damage on the party that a weakened Obama loses to John McCain in November, allowing Clinton to have a second tilt at the nomination in four years' time.

For Clinton, defeat in the nomination process would mean consignment to the political wilderness.

Losing nominees rarely get a second chance to run, and although Clinton's seat as a New York senator seems safe, failure in the nomination process leaves her politically neutered.

Talk of a possible consolation prize, in awarding her the job of Senate Majority leader, has petered out with several more senior senators also coveting the job.

Meanwhile, Clinton's poll numbers continue to slide. Obama now leads her nationally by about 10 points, and a CNN poll in Pennsylvania showed him closing the once-yawning gap to just three points.

Should Clinton lose Pennsylvania, the defection of growing numbers of superdelegates from her to Obama could become a flood.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 09:45 am
For the good of the country, and the party, Hillary has to be persuaded to drop out. She has to be convinced that the country cannot stand to have another regressive president.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 09:48 am
BBB
Good bye, Harry Reid. Hello Hillary Clinton. Majority Leader in the Senate should be waiting for Clinton.

BBB
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 10:02 am
Political bullets for Hillary to dodge. No imagination needed like the ones she dodged in Bosnia.
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Gala
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 10:04 am
Carter? Gore? They'd do better keeping up with their post-white house activities and contitnue their own private/public good works.

I felt the same way about John Kerry when he endorsed Obama-- who cares what Kerry has to say? If anything, his endorsement could only take away from the Obama campaign.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 10:13 am
Gala, I bet the superdelegates will be impresssed.
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Gala
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 12:19 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Gala, I bet the superdelegates will be impresssed.


I can't tell if you're busting my chops.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 12:32 pm
Gala, if you feel the need for authenticity while someone is busting your chops, or, should I say "integrity", well, then look no farther. I shall perform that task with delight.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 12:33 pm
C'mere, girl.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 01:17 pm
Gala wrote:
Carter? Gore? They'd do better keeping up with their post-white house activities and contitnue their own private/public good works.

I felt the same way about John Kerry when he endorsed Obama-- who cares what Kerry has to say? If anything, his endorsement could only take away from the Obama campaign.


i agree. jimmy and al, and i'm a fan of both of 'em, are far more valuable to the country in their non-political roles than gettin' into the middle of this bizarre cat fight.

just think, it was not all that long ago that so many who are now preasuring hillary to gtfo, would have been down on their knees thanking god for the election of president hillary rodham clinton.

talk about the flying fickle finger of fate...

and yeah... john kerry. i wasted a vote, and whole boatload of time defending his nuanced ass, only to have him punk out and give bush a second term.

voted him offa my island a lonnngggg time ago.


frankly, i don't see what the big brouha is alla 'bout. either barack or hil is gonna be the nominee.

either one will be a change from the current.

so where's da fire ? :wink:
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 01:18 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
C'mere, girl.


yeauhh bayuhbeee...

even dirty ol' men need love... Laughing
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 01:57 pm
Gala, not busting your chops. Just looking for the superdelegates to break for Obama and end this race.
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Gala
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 02:12 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
i agree. jimmy and al, and i'm a fan of both of 'em, are far more valuable to the country in their non-political roles than gettin' into the middle of this bizarre cat fight.

just think, it was not all that long ago that so many who are now preasuring hillary to gtfo, would have been down on their knees thanking god for the election of president hillary rodham clinton.

talk about the flying fickle finger of fate...

and yeah... john kerry. i wasted a vote, and whole boatload of time defending his nuanced ass, only to have him punk out and give bush a second term.

voted him offa my island a lonnngggg time ago.


frankly, i don't see what the big brouha is alla 'bout. either barack or hil is gonna be the nominee.

either one will be a change from the current.

so where's da fire ? :wink:


Reality is, they both have more credibility in their current positions than if they'd stayed in the Washington political spot light. Jimmy Carter is far more effective overseeing elections in country's with questionable voting practices than he is telling a candidate to get out of the race for the benefit of the Democratic party. Same goes for Gore and his environmental mission. Both of them weighing in is akin to farting in the wind, or whatever the expression is.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 02:51 pm
Gala wrote:
... Both of them weighing in is akin to farting in the wind, or whatever the expression is.


could be "spitting in the wind"...?

which of course would "go over like a fart in a space suit". Very Happy
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:07 pm
Carter and Gore to Tell Hillary to Get Out?

XXX, I hope you and other Dems don't listen to Carter and Gore.
Hillary will be nominated and then she will loose to McCain.
Let it be said - let it be done.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:18 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Carter and Gore to Tell Hillary to Get Out?

XXX, I hope you and other Dems don't listen to Carter and Gore.
Hillary will be nominated and then she will loose to McCain.
Let it be said - let it be done.


She will loose what? Her jeans after slamming down all those boilermakers? I don't think Cindy would be pleased, she might even relapse!

Waterman, are you a parody poster tryng to make rightwingers look like idiots?
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:19 pm
Gala wrote:
Reality is, they both have more credibility in their current positions than if they'd stayed in the Washington political spot light. Jimmy Carter is far more effective overseeing elections in country's with questionable voting practices than he is telling a candidate to get out of the race for the benefit of the Democratic party. Same goes for Gore and his environmental mission. Both of them weighing in is akin to farting in the wind, or whatever the expression is.


Both Gore and Carter are also superdelegates, are fairly well respected within the party and neither has anything to fear as far as political backlash if they step in and push the issue with her.

If Dean or someone like Pelosi spoke up and pushed it they'd have to fear the loss of Clinton's supporters for any future fund-raising and they possibly lose any of Clinton's supporters in future in-party politics (or have voters defect to Nadar in the General election...). Carter and Gore don't have to be concerned with that stuff so they are in a better position to push without creating in-party turmoil down the road.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:23 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:


Waterman, are you a parody poster tryng to make rightwingers look like idiots?


XXX, what are rightwingers and why do you love them so?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:28 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Carter and Gore to Tell Hillary to Get Out?

XXX, I hope you and other Dems don't listen to Carter and Gore.
Hillary will be nominated and then she will loose to McCain.
Let it be said - let it be done.


You are going to eat your words very soon. Luckily you've got lots of water
to go along with it Very Happy
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2008 03:42 pm
I'm for Obama, but if I was for McCain, I'd probably agree with H2O_MAN.


I think I'd be surprised if Carter and Gore acted and Hillary Clinton would listen.
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