revel wrote:woiyo wrote:revel wrote:You need to quit living in the past. In this day and age; women have to have some way of making a living whether they are married or not, most of time that means they need some kind of degree or training in order to do it. They do not have to depend on someone "taking care of them" no more than a man does.
Yea, I know, stay at home Mom's, caring and raising their children is beneath you. You expect the "village" to do that kind of un-important work, don't you.
Listen you really should not be so quick to generalized based on partisan beliefs. In any event; this is not about me or you but an outdated view expressed by McCain and echoed by you apparently.
Most of the time women have no choice but to work because it takes both partners in a relationship to be able have enough money to raise a family. Or some women might just want to be in the work place and that is ok too. It is also ok if women prefer and can afford to stay at home. My point which I raised in my previous two post remains the same. Women do have college degrees and are working so that is no excuse not to pay them as much as men get paid and women don't stay in their families just have someone take care of them. We are rational human beings every bit as a capable of taking care of ourselves on our own if we desire or have no choice. Unmarried women with children need help in getting started with help paying for day care and college or training. But on the whole young women today make career choices and go to college for it just as much as young men do and deserve equal pay for equal work.
There is nothing outdated about McCains honest remarks. You just refuse to accept the reality that in some parts of this country, there is a labor problem that is not being filled by women. I am not suggesting it should be , but I accept the reality that each individual makes choices and for you to make a blanket statement that ALL women go to college, is flat out wrong.
You perception of reality is out of touch, not McCain.
I never said "all women go to college." I said women go to college just as much as men do. Not all men go to college either.
Sure there are some jobs women are not filling; mines in general are down but women do not tend to fill those jobs as much as men. They do however fill jobs in the mines that do not involve hard manual labor such as accounting offices and such and they have been going to colleges and others such institutions to get degrees or training for it.
However that is not the main point which stands the same of which i have already said more than enough times and you have not brought forth a convincing argument. Those were outdated sexist remarks by McCain to suggest women need to get training or go to school rather than having equal pay or they have a hard time leaving their families if they don't have someone to take care of them.
woiyo wrote:revel wrote:I never said "all women go to college." I said women go to college just as much as men do. Not all men go to college either.
Sure there are some jobs women are not filling; mines in general are down but women do not tend to fill those jobs as much as men. They do however fill jobs in the mines that do not involve hard manual labor such as accounting offices and such and they have been going to colleges and others such institutions to get degrees or training for it.
Equal pay for equal jobs, I agree with. Accounting clerks, as you describe should warrent lower pay since the supply of accting clerks is greater than Mine Workers. Not to mention the risks.
However that is not the main point which stands the same of which i have already said more than enough times and you have not brought forth a convincing argument. Those were outdated sexist remarks by McCain to suggest women need to get training or go to school rather than having equal pay or they have a hard time leaving their families if they don't have someone to take care of them.
That's an opinion that you have formed that I do not agree with
Yes but you have to get some kind of degree to get an accounting job so a woman who has a degree should make the same amount of money as a man who has a degree in accounting since both have degrees.
Quote:Equal pay has been the law since 1963. But today, nearly 45 years later, women are still paid less than men?-even with similar education, skills and experience.
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It should be noted that Obama did nothing to gain the support of Farrakahn, but McCain sought the support of Hagee.
The McCain-Hagee Connection
Why is the press ignoring this hate-monger?
By Zachary Roth
Fri 7 Mar 2008 02:27 PM
More than a week after John McCain's endorsement by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee, the media continues to give the GOP nominee a free pass.
Consider the following pronouncements by Hagee, the man who McCain proudly introduced as an ally last week.
On Jews:
It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.
And:
How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.
On gays:
All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are ?- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.
Hagee, of course, is also a virulent anti-Catholic, who has suggested that the pope is the anti-Christ, and that Adolf Hitler's anti-Semitism was the result of being educated at a Catholic school.
One would think that when a leading presidential candidate proudly touts the support of such a figure, the issue would receive close scrutiny from the press. But last week, once McCain assured reporters that, just because Hagee was endorsing him, it didn't mean he agreed with everything Hagee said, the mainstream media essentially let the matter drop. Chalk another up for the Straight-Talking candidate.
That's all the more remarkable given the high-profile grilling Barack Obama has received on the subject of Louis Farrakhan. In a recent Democratic debate, Tim Russert asked Obama to reject Farrakhan's support. And in January, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen drew attention to the fact that a magazine controlled by Obama's pastor had given an award to the Nation of Islam founder.
But so far, neither Russert nor anyone else at NBC News has seen fit to press McCain on the subject, and Cohen hasn't chosen to write about it. And remember, Obama did nothing to solicit Farrakhan's support, while McCain actively sought Hagee's and appeared on stage with him.
We've asked both NBC News and Cohen whether they plan to, given their concern about Obama's Farrakhan "ties," and will let you know what we hear.
