The Lefty Boom

Yeh, the phrasing should make #1 an easy one, also because there is no specification of time - there is already prove enough of "clandestine Iraqi participation in prohibited weapons programs", just not of any taking place at the time when Bush decided he had to go to war about it, instantly.

But #2 - "incontravertable evidence of longstanding high level Regime liason with Al Queda" - thats a brave prediction - I'm curious how that one will work out.

I thought it was the left that were the whiners. Always going on about how mean and rotten the right is and how Bush is an evil lying replicant of satan...

"Always going on about how mean and rotten the right is and how Bush is an evil lying replicant of satan..."

Gee, and it took even less than three years for us to prove we're correct!

There is a paradox inherent to the use of the word "whine" to characterize disagreement or dissent.

It's a good rhetorical tool (one that I overuse) but the paradox is that at some point you have to concede that the comments *about* whining can themselves be construed as whining.

This is why it's best not to let oneself become hung up on the word. A discussion about who whines will almost inevitably sound childish.

I use the word, but when I do it's almost always just a value-laden rhetorical tool.

There ya go.

Edit: This was a response to a post that was deleted by the author a second before I posted.

Bush is an evil, lying Republican, but that's not all he is. He's much, much more. For instance, he's also a puppet or better yet, a dummy, like Charlie McCarthy. He's being used, and he's even willing about it. I feel the climate shifting. I surely hope it continues toward reason and away from scare tactics. It's like the guys who get rich selling special insurance for cancer. People buy it because they're afraid. I've seen reason win out in this country before (as in the first instance of Bush). So I'm hoping the same phenomenon will take place in Bush Act II.

And Timber, I know you're not a fundamentalist. That's why I asked if you know any of these guys personally. Have you been to their churches? Have you read any of their books? You didn't answer that question.

Lola, do you really believe in evil?

Well, let us note what the post said. It said that Democrats were whiners. They whine about Bush being an evil, lying Republican. I don't know about whining, but I do think that's exactly what Bush is.

well, no, Craven. You're right. I don't. But it's pathological enough to resemble what evil would be like if it existed.

Does Republican=Evil or just Bush? Do you rate Bush on the same level of Evil as Saddam or Bin Laden? Or, is he worse in your opinion?

Equating Republicans to evil would be just about the stupidest manefestation of partisanship that I could imagine.

That's a neat avatar, Craven. But after I'd looked at it for a while, I found it reminded me of those films of chimp and ape behaviors and language.

If I believe Bush is a dummy, being used by those who are behind him, then obviously I wouldn't think it's only Bush who is dangerously deluded. I think it's all the organized fundamentalists who are "evil." Not all Republicans. Obviously there are some Republicans who object to the cooption of the Republican party by the fundamentalists. They started organizing at least as long ago as when Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell got involved on a national level. What's the name of that organization? I forget. (or try to.) It's a political organization using churches as a mechanism. Go to any fundamentalist church and listen to what they say. Any reasoning person will have no trouble believing in a right wing conspiracy. It exists.

You mean like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Using religion for a platform is very different than running a political machine through churches. This is the USA and hopefully it will still be legal, after the actions of this administration, to express your opinion based on any ideology

The separation of Church and State is an obtainable ideology - no longer a fact!!!!

I am very much afraid that nimh has missed some of the vital points concerning re-districting in states of the US. This is not unusual since re-districting is usually an arcane topic. However, it is of prime importance.

It does not appear that nimh is privy to current news in the Netherlands. I will attempt to help.

quote from the Chicago Tribune- Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2003.

Governor calls 3rd Legislative Session

Austin
Republican Governor Rick Perry on Tuesday called a third special session of the Legislature to redraw Texas' congressional districts after the Democrats thwarted two previous attempts by fleeing the state.

Perry said the session would begin Monday. During two previous GOP efforts to redraw Texas ' congresional map. Democratic law makers slipped across the state line, beyond the reach of the law in the Lone Star State, depriving the Republicans of the quorum needed to conduct business.


Democrats have a 17-15 majority in the current Texas congressional delegation in Washington.

The GOP is pusing plans that would give Republicans as many as 21 seats"

end of quote


Now, these actions are important actions.

Raising the number of people in the House of Representatives so a party can have an even greater edge and advantage in passing legislation.

I guess you could call the action of the Republican Governor in Texas --"Realpolitik"

Or possibly, lay down for DeLay.

LOL Mamaj.....you've hit it right on the head, your aim couldn't be better