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The Lefty Boom

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:30 am
I don't hold The Current Administration as any paragon of The Ideal, by any means, hobitbob ... there's plenty there I'm unhappy with. However, I see '04 giving the Repubs a clear majority and by effect a popular mandate. If you think the Left is upset now, wait 'till they start tryin' ta figure what went wrong and where to lay the blame. Likely, they won't even be able to effect much of a challenge in '08, the way things are goin'. That dismays me considerable ... I feel there is a balance of sorts when the Legislative Majority and the Executive Office are held by opposing parties. I don't trust either party with unassailable control.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 10:09 am
Opinions are fortunately like asses and I have yet to find a crystal ball that works - with that said, Bush is history! I have yet to find one thing good about this administration.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 10:19 am
I don't think it is as certain as you claim, Timber. As i recall from a few months ago, you supported an invasion of Iraq, because we had to relieve Saddam of weapons of mass destruction--which have not to date surfaced. Pardon me if i doubt the clarity of vision in your crystal ball.

I thoroughly agree with your statment about opposing parties controlling the Congress and the White House. I certainly do hope that we get rid of the Shrub and his gang of venal, self-centered crooks. And i think it is too close to call right now. Many conservatives are made profoundly uneasy by the Shrub, and by Rumsfeld and Ashcroft. Those jokers will not likely be able to pull off another war for electioneering purposes, and the "jobless" recovery looks less and less like recovery to much of the public. I sincerely hope you are as wrong about the next election as events have proven you to be about weapons of mass destruction. I do think the Congress will remain largely in Republican hands, although good campaigning could give the Democrats a shot at a slim majority in the Senate. It's rather like the Texas voters situation, they largely vote Republican, they can go either way on the Governor, but they steadfastly vote for conservative Democrats for the House of Representatives, and many are resentful at DeLays efforts to pack the Texas delegation by a redistricting which would effectively disenfranchise rural and samll town voters. Similarly, i think, the Republicans will continue to control the House because of voter loyalty, and i believe that unless something very good turns up for the Shrub and company, House Republicans will not appeal to the administration for electoral support--if things go badly for the White House, they may even take the line of distancing themselves from the administration.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 10:23 am
There is also a ground swelling of electoral frustration and discontent - from both parties.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 10:48 am
What continues to surprise me, though it's become a regular occurence, is listening to right-wing radio out of San Antone (in my car, as I'm doing my errands) and hearing the various talk show hosts condemn the administration. Though they were all pro-Bush two years ago, only two of the hosts continue to defend him.

This morning's host, a conservative+libertarian, had a guest from Washington -- I'll try to come up with an identity -- with whom she obviously agreed. He was recounting from apparently first-hand knowledge the mess Iraq is in. "Remember when Bush was saying we should invade Iraq and put in a stable government to prevent terrorists from operating from that soil? Well, as we know now, terrorists weren't operating on that soil. Saddam, terrible though he was, provided a stable government and was antithetic to Al Qaeda and interference from the outside. What have we got now? We have no stability there and we have terrorists coming in to take advantage of the unstable situation. Quagmire? Worse than that."
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 11:00 am
Reference the above, I called the station and found out the guest was one Simon Marks who seems to be all over the place... http://www.simonmarks.com/pages/699342/index.htm
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 11:01 am
Actually, Set, if you'll recall, my support for the war was based on Saddam's 12 year defiance of the provisions of the '91 Ceasefire, and in greatest particular, his failure to comply with UNSCRs 1248 and 1441. I hammered on that a lot ... not whether or not he HAD WMD, but that he failed to provide proof as required he had disposed of those he was known to have had. I saw the WMD issue, as promoted by Bush et al, as a distracting sideshow ... though I was and remain confident vindication from that front is yet forthcoming, though it may not be of a form satisfactory to the more vigorous objectors. I know The Left is unhappy at the moment, and I suspect they're gonna have great cause to be unhappier following the coming election. The economy continues to improve, not just domestically but globally, the reconstruction of Iraq, overall, is proceeding, with the next six months promising significant oil exports and increased civil order with greater indigenous Iraqi control and international involvement (watch for Russia to play a major role ... in return for certain economic incentives)global terrorism is on the wane, the Arab Street is quiescent, The RoadMap, while troubled, is not dead, DPRK is talking, and polls show very little reason for Democrats to perceive any sort of groundswell of support. These things take time ... and really, the picture is not at all bleak for The Current Administration.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 12:13 pm
Well, i can't agree to that rosey a picture, which i suspect you know.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 12:18 pm
The administration is sending more troops and beckoning to the UN precisely because of their poor planning, the terrorist attacks and the threat of civil war. Not to mention the US can also run low on dough! This is a bomb with the fuse lit in my estimation and could blow up in the administration's face. THe vacillation of involving the UN makes them look weak and indecisive.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 02:50 pm
What to be expected of chickenhawks!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 03:14 pm
Timber, thanks for answering my question without invective. I disagree with many of your points, but your politeness goes a looong way! Very Happy
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 04:48 pm
bob, you can expect that of timber, he's a real good one and he'll cover your back if you cover his. A real good man Laughing Exclamation
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 05:21 pm
Hey, thanks, guys ... I may not share your politics, but I really appreciate, and reciprocate, your respect.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 07:51 pm
Doo, itashimashite, gozaimasshita!
(Don't touch my moustache, grouchoMarxa! Very Happy )
Sorry, couldn't help it....just back from teaching white belts.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 08:17 pm
Dohzo
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 04:08 am
P Diddie writes about the "Emerging Democratic Majority".

P. Diddie should review the reviews.

For instance, the Council on Foreign Relations' Review by Russell Mead says:

"The case for a new Democratic Majority may not be as clear as the authors may wish."
They are suprisingly weak on foreign relations matters and speak of the new Majority as "Potential".

In the meanwhile, the Texas re-districting, sure to occur, will net the Republicans five or six seats while the latest Gallup poll gives George W. Bush a 59% Job Approval Rating.

Books are fine. Judis writes well.

But losses in the House of Represenatives to come will be REAL and Job Approval Ratings are real.

I eagerly await Judis's next book to be published after November 2004 entitled:

"How the Emerging Democratic Majority will really really be formed this time"
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 05:32 am
Well, let's see, I must be watching the wrong programs again.
I thought we were spending a billion, (with a b), a week, (with a W), in Iraq while losing over three million jobs in the past twenty-two months, with tax cuts that hugely benefited the wealthiest and now a 'jobless recovery' which means that there will be profits for those who have ownership but not for those who produced them on the factory floor. That doesn't seem so rosy, but now Timber has given me hope. The Russians are going to help us in Iraq. Oh joy! I'm sure they will be as welcome in Bagdad as they are in Checnya and the Islamists in both Iran and Iraq will see the Russian um assistance as a good thing. Da! Could we get them to help us in Israel too?

Joe Nation
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 06:39 am
Tell ya Joe, where the Ruskies are gonna help ... it'll be their money that revitalizes the Iraqi Petroleum Production Infrastructure ... and it'll be their money payin'the Iraqis for the oil that comes out of it. France is gonna be pissed, but what the heck ... the Russkies' are pretty much gonna get what they figured they had comin' before the war ... their contracts will be fulfilled, more or less. They and the Iraqis, BTW, have longstanding commercial ties. Ivan is a familiar sight in and around Iraq, and has lots of freinds there. Washington figures that Putin is all in all a pretty good driver over there in Moscow, steady, predictable, and sober, with a pretty well developed profit principle. Putin wins, Iraq wins, and, of course, Bush wins.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 07:03 am
The funny thing is that there is already a Democratic majority, as evidenced in the last (maybe in more ways than one) presidential election.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 07:11 am
Read this instead, gato:

Quote:
The redistricting standoff comes at a time when blacks and Latinos are on track to become majorities in Texas, leading some Texas Democrats to believe Republicans are using redistricting to limit the effect of demographic changes. One exiled Democrat recalls the candid comment of a Republican colleague: "We have 10 years until Hispanics take over."

The Republican isn't wrong. "A lot of people think that what's going to happen in Texas is going to be what happened in California," says Michael Lind, the author of "Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the Southern Takeover of American Politics." "It went from being a right-wing state based on lower-middle-class whites to being one of the most liberal states because of a coalition of blacks, Latinos and white liberals."

In the same way, "Texas is going to go from being one of the most reactionary states in the union to being one of the most progressive," Lind predicts. "At this point, the white Texans who vote for the Democratic Party tend to be very affluent, well-educated people who are very liberal, similar to California. The old white Texas populists, once the mainstay of Lyndon Johnson's Democratic Party, are mostly Republican now."

"Demographic changes mean that a majority of Texans will be people of color," says Garnet Coleman, a state representative from Houston. With the growing Hispanic population, "for the first time Anglos would become the minority. It doesn't bode well for them [Republicans] in terms of electoral demographics, but as long as they stack the deck by gerrymandering districts that favor them beyond the time that they naturally would be able to keep those districts, that's to their advantage."

Republicans don't have much time. Hispanics currently account for a third of Texas' population; according to the Washington Post, the continued growth of the Latino population will leave Anglos as less than 50 percent of the population in Texas by 2005.

The point is that electoral maps drawn now will determine who can get elected a decade from now. That's why the Texas Democrats have such a sense of mission, even as their costs multiply and they grow weary of being away from home.

"Our Senate colleagues, they think we did this for show. They're very uncomfortable every time we bring up the black or Hispanic issue," says Van De Putte. "But this is about the consolidation of power and trying to direct control of the U.S. House for the next 20 years."

"If you look at their voting records, you will see a stark difference in how [white] representatives from the two parties vote" on black and Latino issues, says Sen. Judy Zaffirini of Laredo. "Redistricting is a weapon of mass discrimination." (emphasis PDiddie's)

One might think the senators were being oversensitive, even paranoid, if a key Republican operative hadn't confirmed their suspicions that Republicans, led by Rove and DeLay, are playing a devious race card.

In May, the Denver Post reported on GOP attack dog Grover Norquist's strategy, saying, "The GOP can live with urban liberals, such as [California Rep. Maxine] Waters; it's moderates such as [Texas Democratic Rep. Charlie] Stenholm who are its main target." If the Texas redistricting plan is adopted, Norquist was quoted saying, "it is exactly the Stenholms of the world who will disappear, the moderate Democrats. They will go so that no Texan need grow up thinking that being a Democrat is acceptable behavior."

For those attuned to the signals, Norquist's message was clear: redistricting would drive Southern whites out of the Democratic Party. In July, he went further, telling the New York Times that Sheila Jackson-Lee, a African-American congresswoman from Texas, "will be the spokesman for the Democratic Party."

"Basically you'll be labeled a nigger-lover if you're a Democrat," Coleman says of the Republican plan. "We've already been through those times. It's all part of the Southern strategy."


It's all about race
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