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Stand by your man?

 
 
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 04:28 pm
aidan wrote:
Where is their self-respect and dignity?

Standing up there is tacit approval of or signaling that she UNDERSTANDS what he did or who he is, and that she's somehow willing to share the humiliation and/or responsibility for it and that burden.



I did not make it through your entire post ( and I will in a minute..) but I have to disagree with one thing.

I am not so sure that it is about her ( or any wife for that matter) agreeing with and accepting responsibility for what he did.

We all know how bad the media can and will tear someones life to shreds if they find even the glimmer of a story in something they do.
It maybe in her best PERSONAL interest to not stand away from him.
If she choose to stay completely out of the spotlight right now it could effect her own job, her family, her friends, and what ever shred of privacy she may have left.

The press will be all over her for a statement and projecting their own issues, beliefs and ideas on to her . The things the press says can effect her ability to be employed in many areas and could possibly effect her current employment. Employers claim to be fair, but no company wants to be associated with that kind of controversy. If she decided to stand away from him right now, the basic rumors alone could cost her a job. Especially if the media decides she was in with him this whole time. I mean, that may be a long shot, but the press will say anything for magazine and story sales so why not that.. All the better if she hides and does not argue..

Talk about living in a horrible gossip filled bubble..

But I am only guessing. I truly have no idea

Self respect and dignity I am sure are something you lost control over when you belong to the media like they do.
What ever little they may have has been washed away by his actions.
Compile the publics insatiable appetite for stories like this one, and we can all watch them being dragged through the gossipy bull for years to come.

I agree with you 100%.
I could never marry, date, or otherwise have any kind of relationship with a politician.
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Chai
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 04:28 pm
boomerang wrote:
Personally I think prostitution should be legal


Going off about the legalizing prostitution for a moment

I said the following before on another thread, about this very subject, and I still feel the same way.

Yes, prostitution should be legalized. However, if you are single, you would be issued an gov't ID card stating you are an unmarried person. When you marry, that card would be revoked.

After the marriage certificate is signed, if one of the married couple wishes to see a prostitute, they would be required to produce another form of government ID, part of which would be their spouse signing off that he/she is aware that their partner is going to use their services.

This could be renewed on a monthly basis.

That way, there is no cheating on their spouse, and everything is above board.
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aidan
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 05:26 pm
You know - it might not be the smart thing to do - distancing myself- but it's what I would do - especially if I hadn't known anything about it or had anything to do with it. And if I did know about it - I'd stand up there to say, "You know - I knew about it - it's my business- so stay out of it. Take your job if you want to take it - this is how we want to live our lives."

But whatever my stance, I'd want my friends and family to hear it from me- and not read about it in a newspaper somewhere. And anybody who cared about me- would wait to hear what I had to say. The rest could think or believe whatever they wanted or read.

Secondly, as the mother of a daughter - my first instinct would be to project a strong, feminine image for her. I probably wouldn't say, "I hate your dad for what he did." Maybe I would- who knows? But I would NOT teach her that as a woman she'd have to
a) put up with that from a man and
b) support him and humiliate herself while she was put on display due to his indiscretions.
Same for my son - I wouldn't want him to be taught the lesson that a man can treat a woman he's supposed to "love" that way and still count on her emotional support.

Any decent man would not ask his wife or family to stand behind him as he aired their private business and his dirty laundry. A real man would say, "I may have made a mistake - but my family had nothing to do with this and I will not allow them to be humiliated along with me. Even if it costs me my job."

He'd probably get a lot more respect and maybe even salvage enough dignity to recreate a career that way in the long run.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 05:36 pm
I agree. 100%
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 05:44 pm
I said yesterday, the only way I'd stay up there would be holding
a sign behind his back that read "BASTARD" and I make sure, it is in
full display to the media.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 04:12 am
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On Wednesday, Spitzer announced his resignation at a press conference, accompanied once again by his wife, Silda. (Memo to future disgraced politicians: The nation has discussed this at length, and we do not want to see any more stricken spouses at the press conference. Not even if she volunteers; it's your moment of supreme humiliation, not hers. And while we're at it, it's impolite to register under the name of a friend/campaign donor when you're checking into a hotel for the purposes of entertaining a visitor from the Emperor's Club V.I.P.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/opinion/13collins.html?hp
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 04:58 am
Re: Stand by your man?
boomerang wrote:
An interesting editorial in my paper today starts like this:

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T o the next high-profile guy caught cheating on his wife, here's a word of advice.

Don't drag the missus to the news conference. Don't persuade her to stand next to you when you put on your Sorry Honey face and try to salvage your career.

If you do, her presence will be proof that you're not sorry at all.

New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer faces possible criminal penalties for serving as a client of a prostitution ring, law enforcement officials said this week. The news set off an epidemic of schadenfreude throughout New York, where Spitzer earned his fame rooting out corporate corruption and prosecuting all forms of moral turpitude, including prostitution rings.

Spitzer apologized to the public but "first and most importantly, to my family." He vowed to regain the trust of his wife and three daughters, which he acknowledged might take a while.

What a crock.


(Read all about it: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/susan_nielsen/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1205283321109020.xml&coll=7)

How would it change things if the wife simply said "Screw it, buddy, you're on your own."?






I would hate to be paraded and all that crap, and would refuse to be, but on a personal level, I'd find it hard to rub his nose in it when he was at his lowest. If I'd cared enough to stay with him that far, I don't think I could just walk out when the **** really hit the fan (unless he'd molested the kids or somesuch.) He's still a human being, and I do kind of melt when I see these guys' demons come and take their pound of flesh. Oh the humanity!!!

I suspect people mostly know there's a secret life of some sort going on.


Whether there'd be a future????? That's different. But I think I'd stick around to help with the pieces.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 05:49 am
To some degree this discussion parallels those teenage peer group panels, "How far do you go on a first date?"

"Well...it depends...."

I'm liberated enough to believe every woman has a right to make her own choice.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 10:48 am
Re: Stand by your man?
dlowan wrote:
I would hate to be paraded and all that crap, and would refuse to be, but on a personal level, I'd find it hard to rub his nose in it when he was at his lowest. If I'd cared enough to stay with him that far, I don't think I could just walk out when the **** really hit the fan (unless he'd molested the kids or somesuch.) He's still a human being, and I do kind of melt when I see these guys' demons come and take their pound of flesh. Oh the humanity!!!

I suspect people mostly know there's a secret life of some sort going on.


Whether there'd be a future????? That's different. But I think I'd stick around to help with the pieces.


This post very much reflected my feelings.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 10:54 am
aidan wrote:
Any decent man would not ask his wife or family to stand behind him as he aired their private business and his dirty laundry. A real man would say, "I may have made a mistake - but my family had nothing to do with this and I will not allow them to be humiliated along with me. Even if it costs me my job."


You said it all right there!
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:38 pm
Well, it did occur to me that there might have been another reason she wanted to be there.

With his resignation, she lost HER job: First Lady.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 05:14 pm
Eva wrote:
With his resignation, she lost HER job: First Lady.


She's a Harvard grad and a lawyer, Eva, I doubt that she needed
the title "First Lady" to feel complete.

It will be interesting to hear how their marriage progresses, if at all.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 05:30 pm
Her main job is Charity work.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 09:49 pm
I didn't mean that, CJ. I knew she was a professional, but First Lady is a very public position. She probably knew she'd be asked even more questions from the media if she wasn't there. Better to grit her teeth and get it over with, y'know.
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mushypancakes
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 07:18 am
My first impression was that she was there because she already knew the guy was an idiot.

There is something else keeping her there, and call me cynical, but I doubt it has anything to do with "standing by her man".

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past this Mr. S to go to some rather low means to guarantee that the wife play along with the game, either.

What a farce though. The bastard now has to lend credibility from the wife to even have a chance at his little speech going over without the world laughing.

There have been a lot of articles about it in our local newspapers, and I tend to agree with those who say "there is no correlation here between Mr. S and Bill Clinton. Whole different ball game". I totally agree.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 01:01 pm
Many women have been disturbed by other women standing up with their men no matter what, the latest is Sally Quinn
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The more baffling question to me is why she did it. All I could think of, watching Silda Spitzer's defeated expression, was of Taliban women covered from head to toe in burqa, standing a few paces behind their men, appendages to their all powerful husbands. Or Indian women committing sati, throwing themselves on their husband's funeral pyre.

American women are so quick to criticize the religious tradition of others, where women take a subservient position - but are we so different? That's not what the Spitzer scandal suggests.

One can only assume that the women who do this are just as enamored of the power and the position as their men. Of course their power is derivative, which makes it all the more difficult to lose. (It was reported that Silda Spitzer did not want her husband to resign.) Would Hillary Clinton have run for the Senate or even President had she not stood by her man after the Monica Lewinsky episode and insisted he not resign? We'll never know.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/03/what_was_silda_spitzer_thinkin.html
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